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water_watcher
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Why do dems not want HR 554
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10/17/2009 2:18:10 PM
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HR 554 requires "non emergency" legislation be available to the members of congress and the public for 72 hours before it is voted on so the legislation can be read before it is voted on.
Every republican member of congress backs HR554, but only a handful of the socialists. Why is this. What could possibly be wrong in allowing 72 hours to read "non emergency" legislation.
Yes legislation like Health Care and the Stimulus bill would fall in to the 72 hour read requirement. The Speaker of the House can classify any legislation as emergency to avoid this rule provided she (or he) states why it is an emergency to the country that the legislation can not wait 72 hours to be voted upon.
This seems like common sense ... why on earth would the socialist be against it. No one can ever say that they did not have time to read before having to vote on legislation.
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MAJ USA RET
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Why do dems not want HR 554
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10/17/2009 2:30:34 PM
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Sunshine... purveyors of doom-and-gloom cannot operate in sunlight. They know that Americans have a sick feeling in their heart, and they know that the jig is up if people find out the source of this sick feeling.
...and if the sheepdog even smells the wolf... he moves to protect the flock. The sheepdogs fangs are bared and a growl emits from his throat. The wolves must stay in the shadows. And hope for an opening.
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kirbys dropwing
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Why do dems not want HR 554
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10/17/2009 5:37:12 PM
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Oh, I love that analogy, sounds total reasonable. I do not trust the government.
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GoneFishin
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Why do dems not want HR 554
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10/18/2009 1:17:25 AM
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Most Socialists in Congress attended Ivy League colleges and with the demanding course work learned to speed read. If Neo Conservatives would take a speed reading course they could keep up and not be begging for more time.
Remember that your hero George Bush graduated from Yale and received an MBA from Harvard. He never asked for more time because I am sure you will agree he was a speed reader.
Another key point is that Neo Conservatives are so busy trying to balance their family value life with their wife and their “secret” life with their mistress that they are falling behind. Naturally, they will support a bill to gain more time.
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water_watcher
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Another Embarrassing GF post
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10/18/2009 7:51:00 AM
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Wow, you top yourself time after time. When you don't have a logical comment you come back with some off the wall attack, i guess trying to be funny. But it is honestly embarrassing to yourself.
The answer is we have never had this problem with new and such important legislation being rushed through and forced down our throats.
The 72 hour rule is not just for congressmen, but for the american people. Again, what could possibly be wrong with it. Rather than coming back with some off the wall answer that demonstrates you don't have a good answer. Why not say if you agree we should have the 72 hour rule ... or if you do not ... why not.
As for all the highly educated members of congress ... ummm ... you want a few videos of Maxine Waters, Harry Ried, Nancy Pelosi, Barney Franks ... on and on and on. No, I do not trust that these great leaders can even read let alone know what they are voting on other than the party line.
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water_watcher
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Hey Fishy
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10/18/2009 7:58:13 AM
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So what is it that you are personally proud of that Obama or this administration or even the socialist controlled congress has "accomplished" so far. Just one thing, you must have one thing you are personally proud of that they have accomplished that you feel is good for america.
I can't believe you too can't come up with even one thing. So sad.
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MartiniMan
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C'mon GF
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10/18/2009 8:36:32 AM
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Surely you can't oppose this sensible piece of legislation. It won't hurt you to support this piece of legislation as it would also constrain Republicans when they control Congress again.
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MAJ USA RET
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Speed Reading
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10/18/2009 9:06:20 AM
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a) I didn't go to Harvard or Yale - but I can speed read.
b) If any of you can speed read, is THIS they way you would assimilate and evaluate legislation of any kind, especially legislation which takes away freedom of choice?
c) Speed is the friend of flim-flam artists and the foe of intelligent thinkers.
d) Speed is darkness and shadows - deliberation is sunshine and fresh air.
e) At some point, you KNOW you are going too fast on a sliperry road...
AGAIN, I say, "trust your instincts!"
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Yankee06
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HR554
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10/18/2009 10:28:09 AM
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No clear thinking congressperson, who holds the interests of the nation above those of his/her party or career, could be against HR554, --period!
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Yankee06
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HR554 vs HR 689
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10/18/2009 10:46:06 AM
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-opps, I meant to comment in the above post on the designation of teh House Resolution above. When I Googled the issue , I found that most of teh discussion is about House Resolution 689 as requiring the 72 hour availabilty of proposed legislation. Although HR 554 might also contain similar language , I couldn't find it.
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GoneFishin
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YANKEE is confused
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10/18/2009 1:49:23 PM
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HR 689 was passed by the House on 6/2/09 and is titled "To interchange the administrative jurisdiction of certain Federal lands between the Forest Service and the Bureau of Land Management, and for other purposes".
HR 554 is alive and needs additional signatures to force the vote.
URL: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-689
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GoneFishin
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Now I Am Confused
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10/18/2009 1:59:57 PM
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HR 554 shows as 2/11/2009--Passed House without amendment. (This measure has not been amended since it was introduced. The summary has been expanded because action occurred on the measure.) National Nanotechnology Initiative Amendments Act of 2009 - (Sec. 2) Revises the 21st Century Nanotechnology Research
However, I also see HR554 as the 72 hour rule.
Can someone explain it?
The 72 hour HR554 is co sponsored by both parties and I have to agree it deserves to be passed.
URL: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/bill.xpd?bill=h111-554
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Yankee06
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Confused?
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10/18/2009 7:34:08 PM
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hey, we're all confused.
-I called a friend in DC today and she explained it this way; "when you Google HRXXXX, you will get a House of Representatives (the "HR") bill, like HR554. But what we are reading about relative to health care are House "Resolutions" (another type of "HR"). Google will pick up HR bills before it finds House Resolutions because there is not much on them. So far there are several submitted house resolutions, like 554 and 689, relative to a 72-hour to one-week wait from teh time a bill is presented to the house or senate and the time it can be voted on. She told me that there is already a House rule/bill that calls for a 72 hour wait, but that bill allows leadership to waive the rule, as a result they frequently waive it, so it's really useless. So at the moment there are about 5 resolutions before the house and senate about waiting periods.
-Hope all that helps y'all. Me? --I'm still confused!
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GoneFishin
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Yankee
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10/18/2009 8:52:34 PM
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See, we aren't that far apart. We are both in a state of confusion. Cheers.
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MartiniMan
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The why the nasty post above?
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10/19/2009 8:20:11 AM
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If you agree it should be passed then why did you post what you did? This is an Archie tactic and you see what that gets him, the derision he deserves.
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GoneFishin
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The why the nasty post above?
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10/19/2009 3:24:49 PM
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Maybe, my post was just poltically insensitive???? However, based on your post I changed my thinking. Archie is a big boy and I am sure he is not bothered by comments made by the Right towards him. It appears the Right would love to just post among themselves without any oppossing views. Sort of like a 60 majority in the Senate.
"Surely you can't oppose this sensible piece of legislation. It won't hurt you to support this piece of legislation as it would also constrain Republicans when they control Congress again."
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MAJ USA RET
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Posting among themselves
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10/19/2009 3:44:12 PM
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No... if my view is opposed to your view, I want you to sell me... convince me... turn me, by force of reason and or logic to your position. Calling me names or denegrating my position does not accomplish effective debate. I wish to be seen by my opponents as a missinformed student... not an idiot... not an enemy.
I reserve the right to be smarter today than I was yesterday. And I see no reason why you are not entitled to the same.
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MartiniMan
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I like opposing views
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10/19/2009 3:50:12 PM
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and I usually like your posts because you are thoughtful, keep conservatives like me thinking and occasionally make a good point from the left-wing perspective that causes me to work hard to examine and refute. I like Hound's usually as well for the same reasons, except when she patronizes us with her inside-the-beltway smugness. Archie, Lady and some other posters I do not appreciate because they are fact and logic-free and make incendiary drive-by comments just to be contrary. Archie especially is disingenuous because he won't admit that the he is a liberal and tries mightily to wrap himself in the flag of being an independent. Maybe that is what set me off about your original post as it struck me as Archie like. If I missed the tongue in cheek I apologize....
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