Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	GA Democrats learn to play the game
Date:	2/26/2021 7:42:58 PM (updated 2/26/2021 7:59:53 PM)

Two Republicans and One Democrat in the GA house are sponsoring a bill to allow sports betting with the proceeds going to the very popular HOPE Scholarship program.  I am a strong supporter of the proposal.  The bill has the support of about half the 101 Republicans and most of the 79 Democrats and was coasting down grade toward approval.  At least it was until today.  Today the Democratic caucas threw sand in the gears and the Democratic sponsor withdrew his support.  The Democrats let it be known the Bill is dead unless the Republicans wake up and get real as for as the sudden need to ''reform'' state election laws with reform meaning to do whatever it takes to make it much more difficult for the very old, the very young and the very ''tanned'' people to vote.  A necessity made evident when Democrats started winning statewide elections.  Remember the betting bill has the support of about half the Republicans?  Well, the other half are the Evangelicals who adamently oppose gambling in any form.  Unless the Democrats and the other half of the Republicans decide to do what used to be the way it works...compromise...then the betting bill is in the ditch!  The GA Democrats learn to play the game.  It may not work but God bless'em!

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Oh Golly Gee, ARCH-IDIOT
Date:	2/26/2021 8:00:38 PM

Guess that may mean GA-KRAPs can start catchin’ up to Mississippi......WOW!

Name:	CRD -	Reply
Subject:	GA Democrats learn to play the game
Date:	2/27/2021 9:26:09 AM (updated 2/27/2021 9:26:56 AM)

Requiring a driver's license number, state identification card number or a photocopy of an approved form of identification in order to vote absentee in the state is a game Archie?  I need at least one of these to rent a UHaul, purchase my Boss Hogg WhistlePig Bourbon,  or cash a check. Another item that I would demand would be the elimination of digitized voting.  Paper ballots hand counted at the local precincts works for me. 

When will Hershel declare his governor candidacy?  

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Somehow not being able to buy booze
Date:	2/27/2021 5:34:09 PM (updated 2/27/2021 5:40:28 PM)

is not the moral equivalent of not being able to vote.  How about this idea which I have proposed before.  Let's really make everybody equal.  Every citizen who wants to vote must obtain a voter ID card to be used for one and only one purpose...to vote.  The catch is everybody from the CEO of Home Depot to the guy that picks up his garbage must appear in person and wait in line for their turn at the voter registrar's office to obtain this ID.  Sound difficult and overly complicated, too inefficient and time consuming, maybe overly intrusive and stupid?  Now you may know how an 85 year old black lady with severe arthritis, no drivers license, no checking account or charge cards, and no children within 100 miles might feel.  Not all citizens live in the same world you and I do.  Another concern for me...how is it logical that you can't vote without a picture ID but you can get the picture ID that allows you to vote without a picture of yourself or anybody swearing you are who you are.  Is that ''rampant'' fraud all you Trump cultist are so worried about ok it it occurs at the DDS or voter registrar's office instead of at the place where voting occurs?

I agree that the ideal way to vote is a ballot marked by hand by the voter (that describes the absentee ballot BTW) and then counted by a machine but with the hand marked ballot being retained in the case a recount is needed.  Guess what, that is exactly the system proposed by the Deomcrats in the legislature when GA updated its statewide voting system in 2017 but the Republicans rejected that proposal in favor of the all digital system where the ballot is marked electronically at the direction of the voter rather than by the voter him or herself.  The digital system, which was more than twice the cost of the paper ballot system supported by the Democrats, was selected by the majority Repubs in the legislature and Domimion, that's right Dominion, was the company selected by the selection committee appointed by Secty of State Kemp (R), Gov Nathan Deal (R) and Speaker David Ralston (R).

Who cares what Herschal Walker does or when he does it?

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	ARCH-Georgia-dimokrap-IDIOT
Date:	2/27/2021 6:53:16 PM

So A-IDIOT, if the Republicans made the decision to go electronic with voting, who in the dimokrap world figured out how to cheat what was supposed to an improved voting system.  Doubt it was Abrams!!!  Who learned to cheap the citizens of GA?

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	WIX imbecile
Date:	2/28/2021 1:26:26 PM

do you ever even read the post above my post that that gets your knickers in a knot and brings to the boiling point your hatred of anybody that has a non-WIX supported opinion.  I didn't address whether or not there was cheating in GA primary, general or runoff elections in either 2108, 2020 or Jan 2021.  In fact I think all elections were fair and honest.  If you weren't a blithering idiot you would see that my response answered CRD's stating that he feels the fairest voting system is paper ballots marked directly by the voters...you know like we do with an absentee ballot.  I pointed out that GA had such a system on the table and the Democrats supported it but the Republicans had the votes and rejected it! The Republicans, not the Democrats, gave us ''Dominion''! Now take a big dose of whatever suppresses your verbal diarrhea and slither back in the hole with your fellow Neanderthals.

Name:	CRD -	Reply
Subject:	Somehow not being able to buy booze
Date:	2/28/2021 1:43:28 PM

As I recall, it was in  2019 that the Gen Assembly signed the Dominion contract, which was cheaper than the ES&S bid.  Don't make it sound like it was a partisan decision.  The Dems liked it just as well,

“We have seen how fragile our digital voting system is. The replacement of ES&S is a critical step toward creating greater transparency and security in our elections,” said state Sen. Gloria Butler, a Democrat from Stone Mountain. “I cannot overemphasize the importance of providing complete public education about the new machines. There needs to be sufficient time for voters to see, touch and operate the machines.”

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	Somehow not being able to buy booze
Date:	2/28/2021 9:10:19 PM (updated 2/28/2021 9:16:45 PM)

The Dominion proposal was accepted and put under contract in July of 2019.  The final vote in the House of Rep to adopt a digital rather than hand marked system occured in March 2019.  69 of 75 Democrats in the house were opposed so I guess you are sort of correct that ''the Dems liked it as well''.  So obviously it stands to reason you would also say ''the Repubs wanted Trump impeached as well''.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	ARCH-DUMMY
Date:	2/28/2021 9:21:30 PM

Speaking of who doesn’t read posts before responding.....go back and READ my post.  Your comprehension level must be about 12%.

Name:	CRD -	Reply
Subject:	Somehow not being able to buy booze
Date:	3/1/2021 11:56:52 AM

69 of the 75 Dems were opposed to what?  What did they offer as an alternative?  Georgia was sued in 2017 by election integrity advocates that said the touch screen machines used since 2002 were subject to hacking and insecure.  Federal Judge Amy Totenberg, a Dem appointed by Obama, prohibited Georgia from using its old system beyond 2019.  She  stated that state officials were finally taking "a solid step in the right direction", “Georgia’s current voting equipment, software, election and voter databases, are antiquated, seriously flawed, and vulnerable to failure, breach, contamination, and attack,” she also wrote.  So are you saying that the Dems were not in any way culpable?  Texas' AG had studied the Dominion system since 2012 and rejected it because of the same flaws that Totenberg found in Georgia's old system.  I blame both parties in our Gen Assembly for not performing due diligence and especially Raffensberger, for his clouded judgement.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	There you go again Doc
Date:	3/1/2021 1:27:52 PM

Introducing facts, logic and reason into the conversation with a closed minded bigot.

Still trying to teach that pig to sing...lol.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	The Democrats proposed a voter marked ballot
Date:	3/1/2021 10:21:13 PM (updated 3/1/2021 10:29:10 PM)

system in committee but it was of course defeated and the GQP majority and the GQP alternative approved on a party line vote and sent to both houses for a final vote.  In the vote that counted there was no Democratic alternative because it had been squelched in committee. The Democrats picked up 4 seats in November but still have a way to go before reason reigns in GA.

No, the Democrats are not culpable for the Dominion System.  They opposed the digitally marked ballot system as provided by Dominion and the others companies that made proposals to the Secty of State.  They supported what you claim you favor...hand marked ballots!  Assuming you meant what you said, is it just too painful for you to say the Democrats were right and your guys wrong?

Name:	CRD -	Reply
Subject:	The Democrats proposed a voter marked ballot
Date:	3/1/2021 11:28:50 PM

Archie, can you please help me find the word "Dominion" in GA HB 316 (dealing with elections) which first appeared in the House Hopper in Feb 2019 and was signed into law by Kemp in April 2019?  I may be guilty of oversight, but I thought I would enlist your expert assistance.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	The word Dominion does not occur in the bill
Date:	3/2/2021 11:09:37 PM (updated 3/2/2021 11:48:55 PM)

and if you re-read my posts you will see I did not say it did.  The bill that passed with only 5 democratic votes decided that the new statewide system was to be a digitally machine marked paper ballot, not a hand marked paper ballot.  An RFP was sent by a committee appointed by the Secty of State, Governor, Lt. Governor, and House Speaker.  The committee received, if l remember correctly 3 proposals including one from the company that provided the old system without paper backup ballot that had been in use since the FL fiasco.  They selected the proposal from Dominion.  The Democrats were, for all practcal purposes, left completely out of the process.  Glad to be of help in giving the answer you didn't want to hear.  Now do you want to say the Democrats were right?

Name:	CRD -	Reply
Subject:	The word Dominion does not occur in the bill
Date:	3/3/2021 9:03:08 AM

Sorry Archie, but you often post with inaccurate information.  HB 16 only authorized a budget consideration for the ballot scanning system, which, if you review the budget that Kemp signed, is located there.  The SOS was in fact the individual who is responsible for the selection.  Committee RFP's don't mean alot if you know how the GA legislature works (unless the Chair needs cover).   The majority party was simply agreeing with the Dem Fed Judge who advocated for drastic change.  Why did your party not want to follow the advice of Thornberg?  That is the real question.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	You can twist and rationalize
Date:	3/3/2021 9:32:19 AM (updated 3/3/2021 9:39:07 AM)

til Jesus returns, but you cannot hang the Dominion voting system on Democrats in GA!  The bill authorizing the funding was for a digital marked system as approved by a Republican dominated legislative committee that had studied the alternatives, and it was passed with almost no Democratic votes.  The RFP that was used to vet vendors was prepared by Republicans and the system purchased was the one selected by Republicans....Period!

Thornberg mandated a system with a paper ballot backup.  The Democrats pushed for an actual paper ballot marked by the voter and counted by a tabulating machine (same as we do with absentee ballots), the Republicans opted for a machine that tabulated the votes then printed out a machine marked ballot...the Republicans had the votes so the republicans ruled....Period, full stop!!

The truth drives you up the wall doesn't it CRD!

Name:	CRD -	Reply
Subject:	You can twist and rationalize
Date:	3/3/2021 10:47:34 AM

Did I ever say that I hung the Dominion system on Dems????  No.    What I said is that Dems had more input than you are attributing to them.  Beginning with Thornberg and continuing in committee.  They are not innocent wallflowers. 

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	You said “the Democrats liked it just as well”
Date:	3/4/2021 3:09:11 PM (updated 3/4/2021 3:18:35 PM)

In fact 69 of 74 didn’t.  To the extent the Democrats had input that input was shot down by the GQP every single time.  In the final analysis it was an all Republican show so if you don’t like the performance at least have the guts to blame the crowd that wrote, composed and choreographed the show and not the walk-on/stand-ins that never made it on the stage.

Name:	CRD -	Reply
Subject:	You said “the Democrats liked it just as well”
Date:	3/4/2021 7:07:33 PM

I'm sorry, but were you invited into the committee meetings?  What is your source and I will give up mine.

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	You're whipping a dead horse
Date:	3/5/2021 9:56:39 PM (updated 3/5/2021 9:59:24 PM)

as you often do.  I don't have any direct source other than media interviews with participants at the time the decision was being made including a GA Tech computer researcher who was a civvie advisory (non-voting) member of the committee studing the available technology, the same committee that made the final recommendation to the legislature.  He argued publicly for and wrote opinion pieces explaining what was going on and advocating for the hand marked ballots as the ONLY foolproof system that could not possibly be successfully hacked because a handcount of the actual ballots, not a digitally printed ballot, was always available.  The Democrats advocated for that system but the final committee vote was a party line vote for the digital printed ballot system.  Now if you know somebody on the committee that disputes that let us know who it is.  We all need to know because, like the preacher who claimed that in 40 years of marriage he and his wife had never had an argument, he or she is lying to you.

Name:	CRD -	Reply
Subject:	You are the horse....
Date:	3/7/2021 7:52:00 PM

How much money did the Gen Assembly vote on allocating and what was Dominion's bid and when did it come in?  Once you have uncovered the answers to those questions, you will know who was responsible for the bid award.  I am only pointing out your consistent errors as you describe the process.  

Name:	architect -	Reply
Subject:	You know what part of the horse you are
Date:	3/8/2021 11:17:43 PM (updated 3/8/2021 11:19:58 PM)

and you have shown it up close in this discussion.  Dominion was selected on the recommendation of advisors to the Republican Secty of State.  Even though their proposal was the lowest cost their selection was somewhat of a surprise because their competitor was a major contributor to the Kemp campaign.  Your attempt to put it on the Democrts is your wishful thinking bias talking.  Truth speaks otherwise.