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LifeTime Laker
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Answers for Mav et. al.
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7/5/2007 12:06:29 PM
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Mav,
I will try to put my position forth so you and any others can understand where a lot of the animosity is coming from. First we have to jump in our way back machine and go back to 2000 – 2001. At that time myself, and a few friends, were about the only ones that posted here on a regular basis. Then a few others found the forum. Two of those being Lakeman and feb (aka max. aka lamar). The forum took a decided twist at that time. The number of posts started to really pile up, mainly because feb responded to EVERY post that anybody made. My favorite was the one about a guy that “inherited” an uncut diamond and wanted advice on how to ‘cut it’. A post went up, and almost immediately feb responded with advice on how to proceed. Then the truth was revealed that it was a bet between two guys. One had bet that he could make the most outrageous post and feb would respond. He won. Feb also posted such asinine questions as “where is the best place on Lake Martin for calamari?” Feb also got a bad rap because he posted one day in a thread about Horseshoe Bend. His innocent, remark was taken out of context and he got flamed for the post. He always came across an elitist, but a lot of the grief was undeserved, but a lot wasn’t IMHO. The line was really crossed when someone took an INNOCENT remark he made and called him a pediphile. Sound familiar? Probabaly not because I had the last one of those posts removed immediately after Lakeman did the EXACT same thing to me last week. Most of you never even saw it I’m sure, as it was only up a few minutes. Now lakeman would have you believe that he has NEVER posted under any other alias, I KNOW better, and have the evidence to prove it. Not saying he is the one that did it to feb way back then, but leopards don’t change their spots.
Now at the same time, Lakeman discovered the forum. If you go back and read some of his posts, they sound like recruitment ads for the K*K*K (the 3k’s together is still on the blocked word list I suppose). In fact, that is what brought the banned words list and the FBI page into being. His racist rants were so bad he was dubbed with the moniker of lakeman, but with 3 k’s in it (still on the banned words list I’m sure). Bruce had to delete many threads back then.
Now we come to their nemesis Burran!! Of course, to read the forum, it is a given fact to some that Burran and I are one in the same. I do know him, and like him a lot. Really a nice guy, but he definitely likes his puddin’ stirred. I did conspire with him at times to help harass the two of them, but trust me, Burran didn’t need any help in that regard. Still doesn’t in fact, although he has toned it down on here for the sake of unity in the past couple of years.
Now lets jump back in our machine and get to the last few weeks. I let something get to me a while back in regards to feb and advertising on the forum. It flew all over me that day that he posted CAT’s website, but ONLY because he has, since day one, been the first to flame anybody that dared post a plug for their business. For the record, I have no problem with an occasional post from someone trying to increase business and hence income. I see feb’s argument that it is against the rules and don’t want the forum eat up with adverts. I did find it very hypocritical of feb to do what he has been so strongly against all these years and said so. In that thread I got goaded into posting some old trash from the early years that crossed the line decency. For that I will make a public apology to feb here and now. This is sincere and I hope he will accept it in the spirit it is offered. I feel certain that he will. I have actually come to think a lot of feb here of late. We still have different opinions on most issues, but that is no reason not to get along. I have other friends and relatives that I don’t see eye to eye with, but we get along fine. Think about it guys. The Green Monster lights have become very popular. Would any of you have heard about them if the fellow had not posted a thread here? And who was the first to chime in about advertising? Nuff said on that matter.
Now to the current level of discourse, I became the devil incarnate when I came out in support of the ‘locals’ on the WWTP issue. Suddenly I became a big, ugly ogre that wanted to poison the water and kill babies, all while draining the lake so APCO could make more money. I started out trying to be the voice of reason amongst all of those screaming for heads to roll. I followed the issue in the local paper as I have in another town I lived in that had similar issues. My point was, rather than make trouble, or try to anyway, why not work with folks instead of against them. I was promptly skewered and my character and intelligence were attacked. So I became defensive. I did not try to read the 14 pages of the consent decree, too much minutia and legalese for me and my Judge Judy law degree. There was, however, a very nice flow chart on page 15-16 that laid it out in VERY simple terms that anyone could read and understand. I think a lot of the folks tried to read the consent decree and got caught up in the document and misconstrued it. That is neither here nor there at this point however. The issue is, THAT is when the attacks on me began. I did not start the war of words. I just won it.
And now for the favorite subject, WATER LEVELS. I will preface this with the fact that I have a family member who is on a first name basis with past and present presidents and CEO’s of APCO. He has been involved in the management of the Alabama waterways for about 30 years now. He is the reason I have such an interest in APCO history, with an emphasis on my favorite lake. That would be Lake Martin. I LOVE this lake. My whole life has been centered on this lake. It is what keeps me grounded and looking forward to life every day. Bottom line is I feel that I have a better perspective on the management of the waterways because I have been exposed to how ‘the system’ works from an inside perspective. I tend to take it personally when I hear criticisms of how APCO ‘mismanaged’ the lake level. That is because some of those you are criticizing are family. Bottom line on this one though is, what is done is done and can’t be changed. I personally know that APCO has made the best out of a VERY bad situation. Someone stated that if low lake levels are all you can find to complain about, you got it pretty darn good. I couldn’t agree more. All it does to us is make it harder for us to PLAY. Think about the downstream towns that are worrying where their drinking water is going to come from. Or the factory workers that worry about lay offs because the plant depends on the river for water. Do you think they may have a little bit more to complain about?
So the issue is, did I really start the attacks? I don’t see it that way and I think there are a lot of folks that agree with me. Lakeman has been working behind the scenes for a while now to work the crowd into a lather over me. It is OK, he can keep it up. I don’t care. I, and many others who have been around since the beginning, know the truth. I understand that some of you have gotten to know one another and communicate both on and off the forum. Good or you. But it is STILL AN ANONYMOUS FORUM. Those that choose to remain anonymous should not be disregarded as undeserving. Some of you might want to do a little research on who and what your recent additions to your circle of friends may or may not be. It is also the general consensus among lakeman and his ilk that I have many aliases. I HAVE ONLY ONE. I have used others in the past, so have lakeman and feb. Granted th
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CAT BOAT
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Answers for Mav et. al.
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7/5/2007 1:57:58 PM
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Now, why do you have to go and put my name in that.
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Maverick
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Nice Post LTL
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7/5/2007 3:58:53 PM
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Now lets all see if we cannot play nicely together and let bygones be bygones.
For Example:
LTL - Remember a while back the email Cat sent to OSMS, then OSMS copied Cats email and posted on the forum for all to read? Cat got all pissed off, etc.
Well guess where I was on the 4th at OSMS's house with OSMS's family, CAT's family and my family. Just so happened we all showed up at OSMS's house about the same time. Just a quick visit for Cat and OSMS to meet each other, along with wives, children, etc.
Guess what they both let bygones be bygones and went on with life and now Cat owes OSMS a ride in the Cat boat. And OSMS has a CAT t-shirt he has to wear to the next HOBO meeting.- Go figure.
Guess what I am saying LTL is most folks are actually good folks unless someone personally attacks them or places them on the defensive. And the bigger / best folks put differences behind them and let bygones be bygones and look to / live for the future rather than the past. So it is your choice LTL be the bigger person or not.
With all that said, LTL I understand your post above, but lets all let bygones be bygones . LTL Correct people if they are wrong, just do not be so bulligerant as I really do not think people were personally attacking you until you attacked them first (not talking about the old feb and lakeman days). I can guarantee you, you can educate a lot of folks on this forum, as I know you are not unintelligent and have been on the lake a long time, but why not try to share this knowledge and educate folks rather than trying to make them feel about an inch tall.
Now lets get back to meaningful posts about the one thing I KNOW WE ALL love and cherish and let bygones be bygones.
LAKE MARTIN !!!!!!!!!!!
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roswellric
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Nice Post
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7/5/2007 4:49:51 PM
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Homerun!
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CAT BOAT
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Nice Post
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7/5/2007 4:58:39 PM
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Remember when Mav and I used to play jokes and aggrevate the h3ll out of each other? Well, I have not let that go, and refuse to. I will get him. Just you wait and see. OSMS is helping me out with the longterm gameplan. We started by playing a trick on him, causing his starter to go out on his pontoon boat. Wait ti' you see what OSMS comes up with next.
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Maverick
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LMAO - CAT
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7/5/2007 5:09:32 PM
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Your fired as my boat mechanic, was not starter was ignition switch - LOL.
Good to see you and Dee Dee again, hope you guys had a great 4th.
Nice to meet Steven.
Now that we know where OSMS lives, just another beer stop on the lake. At this rate I can drive from my house at the North end and make it to the Rock without having to bring my own beer.
Later
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LifeTime Laker
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Bygones are bygones
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7/5/2007 5:44:37 PM
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As always Mav there are two sides to EVERY story and the absolute truth lies somewhere in the middle because we all percieve everything with our own prejuces and ideology. That being said, I am more that willing to bury any hatchett. I will just add that in the last few weeks it seemed like I was doing the bashing simply becuase I had so many posts. But I had that many just to respond to those that were bashing me. I am through with it now, it is time to move on.
Glad you had a good 4th with the family.
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LifeTime Laker
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Answers for Mav et. al.
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7/5/2007 5:56:13 PM
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CAT, just for the record I don't care if you put your website in your posts. When I complained before it was on principal. Others were being flamed for the same thing. With them it was ignorance of the 'rules'. I am a capitalist. I understand drumming up business. But at that time I felt like you were being given a pass because you had made 'friends' with some key members of the forum. If the 'rules' are absolute, they are absolute. Trust me, if the forum turned into one huge can of spam I would quit coming here, as would most of you. But a local guy trying to make a living is alright by me. I hope that you see my point. It was not you personally. But that other member has since apparently had a change of heart in this matter. I say this because since then some other folks have started posting links to their site without any complaints.
Next time I am in line behind you at J's Junction while you fill up that beast of yours I will introduce myself. I was going to last time but was on a phone call and couldn't get loose in time.
Enjoy Smith Lake this weekend and stay safe!!
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Wow, my respect meter is moving....... I believe we all have posted things that we later regretted, or that took on a "mood" that was aimed at a computer box without consideration for the good people on the other end.
I also believe everyone that posts on this forum has something to contribute (although some have a hard time finding what that “something” is); your last few posts have been civil and I have enjoyed reading them. I don’t agree with you on everything, but I respect what you have to say when presented in this manner.
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LifeTime Laker
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Bygones are bygones
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7/5/2007 11:35:37 PM
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I am a very reasonable person. Opinionated yes, but reasonable also. I will listen to as much free advice as I can get on any subject or especially a project I may want to pursue. But free advice is just that.
The post to feb a while back was made on a very bad day. It was the old kick the dog syndrome. Well I kicked feb that day because I love my dogs too much and couldn't find the neighbors cat...lol. I regretted it immediately and was planning to reach out feb to bury that hatchet when the last little dust up started. Once again I will unequivocally state that I am a lone voice on this forum. I communicate with NO ONE from this forum through any electronic media. I do have several friends and neighbors that claim to read the forum but not post. I am not sure that is true, but if their anonymity means that much to them, so be it. I plan to make a post sometime this weekend on the concept of anonymity as it relates to forum participation. I am still mulling it over. But, the point is that I am not going behind the scenes with anyone trying to start a revolt against anyone. I have only one moniker. I have used others in the past, as have MANY of others on here. It has become apparent that some are convinced that any post that agrees with me, must be me. I can assure you they are not. I do not know who ghostman, pontoonfisher, or Capt D are. Have never to my knowledge communicated with any of them in any way. I have a feeling one of them may be somebody I know, but he has not let me know if it is. The friends that do read the forum without posting have let me know that they agree, for the most part, with what I say here.
If my 'answers' hurt some feelings, oh well. The truth shall set you free, but first it will pi$$ you off. Every word was fact. Verifiable with multiple sources. It was not just Burran that was offended by multiple posts made by lakeman. Several complaints were lodged. Now he wants to try to destroy the character of someone he doesn't even know. Don't play with fire if you don't like getting burned. Glass houses....etc. etc.
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Uncle Sam
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Question, Mav
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7/6/2007 12:12:19 AM
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I've been out of the loop, so I' ve done a lot of post reading in the last few hours. Taking into consideration the critical things you say about LTL, I wonder how you feel about some other folks who post here. First up for your review: Bob.
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Lakeman
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Bygones are bygones
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7/6/2007 1:47:23 AM
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LTL let us all meet at Chucks and you and I can bury the hatchet with all the forum members present as witnesses. Let bygones be bygones.
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CAT BOAT
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LTL
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7/6/2007 9:14:21 AM
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Where is J's junction?
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Used to be Siggers down the road from DARE park.
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CAT BOAT
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LTL
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7/6/2007 9:46:35 AM
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I am not sure where DARE park is. Are you sure that was me? Siggers rings no bell either.
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LifeTime Laker
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I have to think about that
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7/6/2007 10:11:33 AM
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Lakeman you have spent weeks behind the scenes in an email campaign to besmirch my character, intelligence, upbringing and station in life. Now that I turned the tables on you and put the TRUTH out for all of your new found friends to see, you want to make nice. You and your 'buddies' even threatened what you thought was my livelihood. I will have to think about this for a while. I will not participate in the juvenile posting any longer, but I am not sure that I want to be your new best friend. I am not ruling it out for some time in the future, but I think it best to let the dust settle a little while first. I may even join the HOBO's if I see that it is being steered in a 'responsible' manner. I have the utmost respect for Mav and thank him for this thread because it served as the impetus for me to post my mea cuppa. I also feel his guidance and leadership are a driving force with the HOBO's. It will be interesting to see a couple of press releases. I hope and pray that they aren't similar to the one from Smith Lake HOBO's.
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Maverick
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Question, Mav
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7/6/2007 10:21:53 AM
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Not going there, as the hatchet has been buried and lets just leave it at that and get back to meaningful posts.
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On Youngs Ferry Road. Dare park is the ramp that has the park with the sandy beach. The boat had www.cathouseperformancemarine.com across the back end. Been about a month or so. It is on the west side between Manoy and Sandy. I thought certain that was you. I have seen you at the rock before also, I recognized you by that horrendous scar on your chest....lol. I thought how nice, he has something to distract from that ugly mug now....LMAO.
I don't think you were going very far, you only pumped 40 gallons....lol. In fact I saw you go back to DARE park just a little while later. I assumed you were going to take her back out. I never saw you come back out to the big water.
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"The truth is somewhere in the middle"......you made a similar statement earlier and it applies to most of what has been going on. I don't think you are a bad guy. If you keep trying, I think you will see the reasons many of us are friends; I hope you truly can let Bygones be bygones.
There are many good folks on this forum from all around the lake and many of us know each other from both personal contact and from the Internet. Everything is not what it seems from your perspective either. I have respect for those who put a name and face behind their opinions, even when I disagree with their position; I do not always agree with my friends.
Come to a HOBO's meeting or call a beer meeting at Niffers sometime. I think you'll find that we all have more in common than you may think..
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LifeTime Laker
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Good plan Mav
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7/6/2007 10:28:22 AM
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But Uncle Sam I will say that the point of your post was not missed by me!!
Just let it go. I got sent home with note that said I didn't work and play well with others so now I have to learn to share the soapbox....lol.
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Lakeman
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Confused.
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7/6/2007 10:28:23 AM
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You are confused again. I said bury the hatchet not snuggle up with arms around each other. It's always good to be on good terms with people, friend or foe. I suggested this as a show of good faith but it is not very high on my priority list, in fact it's on the bottom. Now as for you having bested anyone with your crybaby tactics, naynay my cheerie. You only brought up old ghosts from the past which are only accusations. Non of them provable. Now I leave you as always, a ledgend in your own mind.
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LifeTime Laker
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One word lakeman
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7/6/2007 10:30:38 AM
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ARCHIVES!!!!!!!
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Put those hatchets back in the dirt!!!
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LifeTime Laker
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Bygones are bygones
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7/6/2007 10:43:13 AM
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I agree with all this. I have friends that have very different opinions than mine, especially in regards to politics. In fact one will be here this afternoon for the weekend. He is a pantie wetting, whiny, 'yellow dog' democrat, but I love him just the same. And I can GUARANTEE that we will have fun while swilling adult beverages this weekend. Heck, I may even get started on politics with him this weekend now that I am fed up with Bush too. I still support the war, but his domestic agenda, which apparently is all amnesty all the time has caused me to falter in my support for him and MANY others.
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CAT BOAT
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LTL
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7/6/2007 11:20:18 AM
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I have never been to that ramp. I usually put in at Kowliga Bridge. There are dozens of boats on the lake that have the "dot com" stickers on them. We try to put it on most customers boats. My boat has the .com sticker, and the name "Bling it on" is on the back. White,yellow and purple boat. If you see us, please introduce yourself. It would be a pleasure meeting you. See link below so that you will recognize the boat.
Steve
URL: Fountain Killer
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Lakeman
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LTL
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7/6/2007 1:38:20 PM
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The CAT BOAT will also have my fingernail scratches where I was trying to hold him to my floating dock ( which is no longer floating ).
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Uncle Sam
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Good plan Mav
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7/6/2007 2:20:07 PM
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Understood. I saw what looked to be selective prosecution, and was wondering if my perceptions were correct. And I have a feeling that despite all of the "hatchet has been buried" talk, my question will be answered soon enough.
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Next time I see you I definitely will. I have a friend who would LOVE a ride in your cat. I a am a slow boat kinda guy myself, but I would liek to try short jaunt myself.
But I know that scar was you at the rock last year....lol.
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But Bob is not the one to watch. I am sure more will be revealed as time passes. One difference is that I have stated publicly many time that I like my 'puddin stirred' so folks should know where I am coming from. Others like to hide and sneek. But I have tried a new puddin recipe and it calls for smooth puddin, so I am going to try that for a while.....lol. Hmmm.. but it did say I could add raisins fi delsred.....(<:
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LifeTime Laker
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That is supposed to be...
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7/6/2007 6:59:20 PM
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...if desired. Nothing ruins a good sarcastic post like a typo dang it!!
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CAT BOAT
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OK My bad.
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7/8/2007 3:01:38 PM
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Whatever LTL. Look foreward to seeing you. And Dee Dee says the scar is sexy, and at least I am still here....
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