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Mail you old lipsticks to the National Democratic Headquarters. You can then order a new one from your mary kay rep. They are selling lipsticks that give back to breast cancer awareness.
National Democratic Headquarters
430 S. Capital Street S. E
Washington, DC 2003
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Talullahhound
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Calling al Pig supporters!
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9/10/2008 6:28:14 PM
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I didn't realize that Mary Kay was a Republican Front Organization, but I'm glad the money will go for a good cause.
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water_watcher
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Wow, they keep proving it
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9/10/2008 7:45:25 PM
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It is amazing how liberals keep demonstrating their stupidity.
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Pigs get fat and hogs get slaughtered. My guess is Obama is the Hog for calling Sarah a pig.
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Lady
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Now just wait a minute!
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9/10/2008 9:12:55 PM
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There seems to be great controversy about "lipstick on a pig"! Did you hear Obama's speech when he said it? Of course, it is taken out of context because this is what he said, "We've been talking about change when we were up in the polls and when we were down in the polls. The other side, suddenly, they're saying 'we're for change too.' Now think about it, these are the same folks that have been in charge for the last eight years. You can put lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig. You can wrap up an old fish in a piece of paper and call it change. It's still going to stink after eight years. We've had enough."
If you still think it was a slur, here are some other "lipstick on a pig" references for you to consider:
"I think they put some lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig." – John McCain, in reference to Hillary Clinton's health care plan, last year.
"George Bush has given a mission to General Petraeus, and he has done his best to try to figure out how to put lipstick on a pig." – Barack Obama, last year.
"Or as we say out in our home state of Wyoming, you can put all the lipstick you want on a pig, but it's still a pig." – Dick Cheney, 2004.
"It's all about withdrawal or not withdrawal, okay? I mean that's what it's all about. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig." – John McCain, last year.
"You can put lipstick and earrings on a hog and call it Monique, but it's still a pig." – Texas Gov. Ann Richards.
"John Kerry tries to put a bunch of fancy, fancy talk...but there is nothing you can do to really -- to really obscure that record. You can try, though. And in Wyoming, we've got a saying for what it is when you keep trying to make something that's not so good look good, we call it putting lipstick on a pig." – Lynne Cheney, 2004.
"It gets down to whether you support what's being done in this new strategy or you don't. You can put lipstick on a pig. It's still a pig in my view." – John McCain, last year.
The Obama campaign also emailed to reporters quotes from more than 10 Republican officials who have used the phrase, among them House Minority Leader John Boehner and Former Republican Senator Rick Santorum.
The bottom line here is, this is a set expression. 'Lipstick on a pig' has existed in American English for probably more than three decades and follows on other, similar expressions that talk about dressing up something dirty as something pretty.
Hey, maybe he was insinuating that McCain is an old fish !?!?!?
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MartiniMan
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Now just wait a minute!
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9/10/2008 9:49:51 PM
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Of course lipstick on a pig is a common saying but it defies common sense to say that Obama wasn't referring to McCain as the fish and Palin as the pig. My question is why at a time he is losing women voters in droves he would say anything so controversial? It just doesn't show good political instincts. So now all the headlines are about whether Obama was insulting Palin. Like her or not, hers is a compelling story, there are lots of aspects of her that will appeal to certain demographics (not all but broadly speaking) and the polls, every single one of them, shows the same thing. It was just plain dumb for Obama to have made the comment because while it plays very well to partisan crowds, those people are going to vote for him anyway. What he needs to do is carry a message that will appeal to the undecided voters. These kinds of issues take away from his "we need to get away from politics as usual", etc. message. I can't believe I am giving Obama advice........do you think he reads the Forum? I sure hope not! :-)
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water_watcher
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No Thanks !
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9/10/2008 10:20:09 PM
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Obama knew exactly what he was saying and referencing ... wait a minute, no he didn't she is right. He really is that stupid that he just happened to use the same expression Palin used in the convention speach.
The problem with Obama's change is that he does not commit to what he will change ... just change.
And by the way, what really is wrong with the last eight years ... no attacks on our country since 9/11/2000. Recovered from the Bill Clinton recession and longest period of growth in our country. Of course after that long of expansion we will have a slow down. But the democarts would want you to believe we are in the worst recession ever, yet we still have not had even one quarter of negative growth and you need two quarters negative to be called a recession.
Obama's change is more government ... no thanks. Higher taxes ... no thanks. Redistribution of wealth (socialism) no thanks. Less defense of our country ... no thanks. Taking God out of our schools and pledge of alligence ... no thanks. Wants to change the national anthem because it refers to war ... no thanks. Negotiate with terrorists ... no thanks.
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Talullahhound
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No Thanks !
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9/10/2008 10:51:30 PM
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I guess the problem with the last 8 years would be the economy tanking, the lies we were told about Iraq and the national debt rising -- still no answers on health care, illegal immigration and social security, and the loss of jobs to overseas?
I was surprised to learn while watching the news tonight how many politicans have used "lipstick on a pig". I don't know why people are so sure he was referring to SP, unless of course, the "shoe fits"..... LOL.
Don't flame me, I'm just making a joke. I wish the media, and the politicans put as much thought into the problems of the country as they do blowing this kind of thing out of proportion, don't you?
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water_watcher
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No Thanks !
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9/11/2008 7:32:22 AM
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God you are so dumb. The economy has not tanked ... it is going through a slow down after the longest expansion EVER. Remember Clinton left office with the economy in a REAL recession (not a slow down like we have now). Then 9/11 hit. The fiscal policies of the republicans pulled us out of that and created the biggest economic expansion since Regan. The economy was decent under Clinton, but how quickly you liberals forget that he left office with the economy in a recession.
You you ever took economics in school ... economies do not just go up. The question is on overall policies as to how long the expansion lasts and when it slows do we go in to a recession.
There is a lot of debate about the Iraq war. But had Clinton done his job, rather than turn his cheek, when we had previous terrorist attacks then 9/11 may not have happened. The intellegence on Iraq was the same intelligence Clinton had. There is no doubt he violated the resolution on inspections and refused to comply. He tourtured his people and there was clear proof he was working with terrorists and attempting to aquire weapons of mass destruction.
We can debate, agree or disagree, but the facts are that we freed the people, and having a democracy in the middle east is a good thing. The terrorist wanted it to fail and that is why they came in to Iraq. But we fought them on soil other than ours and that is a good thing.
All I know is because of the actions we have taken as a country, we have not had any further attacks (Thank God) and you still have the freedom to share your liberal views on this board and probably other places due to the sacrafices of our armed forces.
When you get up every day you should be thanking God for that freedom that other protect for you rather than second quesstion and being critical. Because if you really believe things are that bad, you should try living somewhere where your don't have the freedom you enjoy.
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I don't know where you have been putting your energy, but the last eight years have been record breaking years for our company. We've been able to grow, put money away and share profits with our employees. It has been an amazing economy considering we have had 9/11 and the War .
As far as the lipstick thing, I mailed my lipstick to Obama and moved on. As a woman I took offensive and felt it was directed at Palin. Mainly because she is a woman and she had just used the phrase. It is a different race. You can no longer use phrases that insult or seem directed to the female species without expecting a backlash. Those that are supporters of Sarah feel strong in our convictions and will rise up to defend her matter how big or small!
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UncleSam
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No Thanks !
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9/11/2008 9:40:00 AM
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"All I know is because of the actions we have taken as a country, we have not had any further attacks"
While that might be true, you can't state it as an absolute. The reasons there have been no more terrorist attacks on American soil might be many; to state that it absolutely, positively is because we started a war is a bit naive.
Or, if the reason there have been no more attacks is because of the war..... what stopped them BEFORE 9/11?
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water_watcher
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Another stupid statement
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9/11/2008 10:00:36 AM
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Wow ... you are full of ignorance aren't you. I would hate to have found out if we did not chase down the terrorists if we would have had more attacks. What we do know as fact ... is that Bill Clinton did nothing after several terrorist attacks and they got progressively worse until 9/11. Action was taken and we have had none further.
You really need to go live in another country so you can appreciate the freedom that others fight for you to keep.
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water_watcher
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Economy tanking in the last 8
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9/11/2008 10:01:56 AM
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I agree !
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UncleSam
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Another stupid statement
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9/11/2008 1:14:42 PM
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This freedom that you speak of, and that you are so quick to use to your advantage: I DID fight for it, and not my tapping the keys of a computer. I saw combat, re-upped, and saw more combat, and my sons are currently serving in the Middle East.
And among the things I fought for was the right to use logic: you CANNOT say for certain that starting a war in Iraq put an end to terrorist attacks. Maybe it did, but there is no way to say for certain.
And then there is the school of thought that terrorist attacks are happening against Americans EVERY DAY. If you don't believe me, go visit my kids. Spend a day with them, doing what they do and facing what they face, and THEN tell me that terrorists aren't still hard at work. Just because it's happening thousands of miles away doesn't make the victims any less American... no matter how you feel about them.
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MartiniMan
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No Thanks !
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9/11/2008 3:33:51 PM
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There were actually a large number of terrorist attacks pre-911 under Clinton's watch, all of which were related to Islamo-terrorist organizations. To name a few: Khobar Towers, 1993 bombing of the WTC, bombing of the USS Coles in Yemen, etc. And that's just U.S. interests. Many, many more targeting European and Middle Eastern countries. It is remarkable that there have been no significant terrorist attacks in the U.S. in 7 years and to say the Bush Administration does not deserve credit would belie partisan blindness. If you don't like Bush that's fine. These days it puts you in good company. But he does deserve kudos for that one fact.
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Agree !
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Thank you for calling me "stupid". I've never been called that before. And yes, thank you, I have studied economics. And I spent 32 years working for the Department of Defense, so I'm well acquainted with the sacrifices of our military; well acquainted with the inter-relationship between industry and our national security. I would NEVER take anything away from our military members -- they are the finest, best trained and most dedicated men and women in the world. My husband is a veteran of Viet Nam, my father a WWII veteran and my grandfather a WWI veteran.
I disagree with those who think our economy is in great shape. I have my 401K funds invested in the stock market and have watched them take a plunge over the past couple of years. I saw my house value decrease by $200K in the past 2 years. While individual companies may have profited, I think overall the economy has not done well.
Health care remains a huge issue for many Americans. In other forums to which I belong, I know a number of people who cannot seek medical care because they do not have health insurance. If you don't think health insurance is an issue, talk to someone with a catastrophic illness who doesn't have it.
Illegal immigration. My sister lives in Arizona. Talk to her about illegals. She has had to fence her yard and buy dogs to protect her property from illegals. I would love for you to have had the chance to visit a metropolitan area emergency room on a Saturday night if you don't think illegals are a problem.
Democracy in the Middle East? I wouldn't put my money on it. You've probably never been to the Middle East and never had the opportunity to talk with people that are actually from the Middle East. Talk to our soldiers about the Middle East and ask them how soon they think Iraq will be a democratic state. The idea of democracy in the Middle East was put forth by a few ivory tower intellectuals -- namely Paul Wolfowitz, Doug Feith and Condi Rice. None of whom has a degree in Middle Eastern studies.
And to the nice lady who feels she has to stand up for women by sending her lipstick to Obama -- I'm a woman too. I don't think he was making a feminist statement, but if it makes you feel like you are striking a blow for women, by all means. I personally think Sara Palin in being used by the good ole boys of the GOP, but I'm happy to see a women making advances wherever and whenever.
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Markets go up and down, look at what happened under clinton ... that NASDQ went from over 5,000 down to 1,100. It has recover under Bush as have all the other markets. Yes there have been recent declines we are all feeling ... but those are macro issues. What exactly has Bush or the republicans done to make your 401K go down recently. I bet they sit in Washington and try to figure that out just to screw you.
As for Obama ... his big tax plan is to give tax credits to people by taxing the rich. Many of the tax credits go to people that have paid no taxes. If that is not socialism, what is it. So sad. What is he Robin Hood? THIS IS SICK!
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Talullahhound
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Kuddos
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9/12/2008 12:28:43 AM
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No, I don't think they sit in Washington and try to figure out how to screw me. And yes there are market fluctuations. But, if you look at the overall economic indicators, they are down. That is why the Fed kept dropping the interest rate -- to stimulate the ecomony. That why GWB gave out his stimulus checks - to stimulate the ecomony. I'm not making this stuff up.
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water_watcher
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Economics Lesson ** Read This!
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9/12/2008 2:32:54 PM
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Of recent the economy has slowed .... but until the democrats took over congress, it has been the longest economic expansion in the history of this country ... even longer than the last great Republic president Ronald Regan.
You are partly right on the feds ... they do lower interest rates to stimulate the economy ... but they also lower rates when inflation is in check. Both were happening ... we had an expanding economy with low inflation. The feds have stopped lowering rates, in fact the next move will be up, not down.
The other reason rates are moved down is to weaken the US dollar. That helps exports and makes imports more costly. While that helps US jobs, it also adds to inflation since we consume so much more than we can produce, it raises prices of imports.
Guess what we import a lot of OIL ... yes the weak US Dollar from lower interest rates drives up the price of oil and what you pay at the pump. That is why we need to drill more in the US and import less. What the republicans have been saying for some time.
Since interest rates have been stable and are projected to rise, the US dollar is getting stronger and oil has come down from $148 a barrel to $101 today. After the hurricane passes, assuming no bad damage, oil will settle in at $70 -$80 a barrel. Still too high, but until we approve more drilling or reduce consumption, that is probably as low as it is going.
And yes, the stronger dollar will make imports cheaper and probably hurt some US jobs ... so expect to hear the crying about that.
But that my friend is how the economy and economics works.
Next lesson will be why raising taxes would kill us as Obama proposes. Yes even if it is only on the top 5%. Those are who creates the jobs. Redistributing wealth (socialism) does not work. It will drive money over seas where it can not be taxed rather than invested in the USA.
Lower taxes on businesses is good because it allows businesses to be more competitive, create more jobs. It also lowers inflation because who pays for the business taxes ... you and I in the products we buy and then they are taxed again with sales taxes that we pay with after tax wages we earn.
That is three layers of tax in just that example. There are even worse situations. Yet Obama says tax businesses and the "rich" more so he can redistribute to people that do not even pay any taxes right now. But the NEED it. Yeah, that will really incent them to do better. USA is the land of opportunity for anyone, so lets take more away from those that achieve and give it to those that have not. That will be GREAT for the economy and really incent people to get ahead so it will be taken away from them.
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Talullahhound
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Economics Lesson ** Read This!
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9/12/2008 5:09:27 PM
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You liked it so much, you posted it twice. Is this your original work?
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Lady
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Economics Lesson ** Read This!
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9/12/2008 5:56:35 PM
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I'd certainly guess the first and last paragraphs are his. (Note the spelling and grammar errors - didn't even spell the "Republic" president "Regan" correctly!) Other than that, my guess is the rest was written by some other misguided soul.
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Swimmer27
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Kuddos
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9/13/2008 6:48:28 AM
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welcome back elsie, we missed you....lol.
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