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water_watcher
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Interesting
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9/14/2008 4:46:40 PM
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The following stats come from an article by Glen Beck of CNN.
What do the top ten cities with the highest poverty rate all have in common?
Democrat leadership!
Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961; (47 years)
Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954; (54 years)
Cincinnati, OH (3rd)... since 1984; (24 years)
Cleveland, OH (4th)... since 1989; (19 years)
Miami, FL (5th) has NEVER had a Republican Mayor;
St. Louis, MO (6th).... since 1949; (59 years)
El Paso, TX (7th) has NEVER had a Republican Mayor;
Milwaukee, WI (8th)... since 1908; (100 years)
Philadelphia, PA (9th)... since 1952; (56 years)
Newark, NJ (10th)... since 1907. (101 years)
Einstein once said 'The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.'
It is the disadvantaged who habitually elect Democrats -- yet are still disadvantaged.
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MythBuster
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9/15/2008 2:14:18 AM
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Since mayoral candidates rarely declare a party affiliation, it is more than a little misleading to treat statements like this seriously.
And when you have a case where the mayor DID declare a party, and that party WAS Republican, yet his city is listed as NEVER having had a Republican mayor, then the post just becomes one of the many that is posted as fact, but is really just lies and misinformation. (The city was Miami, the mayor was Joe Carollo, and it wasn't so long ago that people have forgotten.)
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water_watcher
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9/15/2008 6:43:26 AM
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You are beyond wrong. Unless a candidate runs as an "independent" there is a party affliation. Do you vote? It says democrat, republican, libertarian, etc. There is ALWAYS a party associated with a candidate.
Your post is just another example of a liberal sticking their head in the sand and refusing to accept the truth.
The reason these cities with high poverty keep voting democratic is because they are promised to be taken care of. The candidates says they will take it away from the rich and give to them with more programs. Even when it does happen, it does not work because there is no incentive for them to improve, only have their hand out.
I will give Clinton credit for abolishing welfare. That actually worked. But who was so vocal against it saying it would hurt those that depend on it .... yes Obama. Check it out.
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MartiniMan
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9/15/2008 10:19:24 AM
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That's an interesting response from someone that goes by the name Mythbuster. I am almost 50 years old and have lived in a number of large cities (Pittsburgh, Dallas, Atlanta, etc.) and have never seen a mayoral candidate that didn't have some party affiliation. I am curious the source of that supposed factual statement or was it off the cuff? My sense from experience and being a political news junkie that at least for the last 25 years when I have been paying attention the exact opposite it true....the vast majority of mid to large city mayoral candidates have some party affiliation.
Not only do I believe the list above, but when I look at cities formally controlled by a liberal Democrat that converted to a conservative Republican the turn around has been nothing short of amazing. Obviously New York City going from Dinkins to Guiliani is just one high profile example. There are a number of others. That is not to say every Republican has been a good mayor, but I venture to say that every Republican that stuck to conservative principals has been an effective mayor.
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4thelake
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9/15/2008 10:41:54 AM
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Why don't you just go to the polling place and cast your one and only vote and be done spreading your agenda. I'm rather sure you will not convert anyone on this forum by democrat bashing. You are embarrassing your fellow republicans and making a fool of yourself.
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water_watcher
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9/15/2008 12:15:56 PM
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How is what was said democrat bashing. I am sure the truth hurts.
The problem is the liberal democrats do not want to face the facts and the truth, so when someone points it out it is an attack.
You are free to say what great things the democrats have accomplished. I gave Clinton credit for abolishing welfare. That worked. How is that bashing the democrats. You give credit where credit is due. The problem is the list is short.
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MartiniMan
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9/15/2008 12:16:22 PM
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Is this directed at me? If so, I respectfully disagree that we should be quiet. I am all for you saying whatever you want about your political beliefs and would hope you would feel the same about others who don't agree with you. Telling others to shut up is an all too common response when one can't compete in the arena of ideas where facts and logic rules the day and raw emotion is given limited value.
You may think we are fools but facts are stubborn things and I plan to continue to present my views based on facts. If you could, would you silence voices at odds with your own? Are you for the Fairness Doctrine because you don't like right wing talk radio and want it silenced? Do you believe the Wash Post, NY Times, LA Times, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC are "middle of the road"? Just curious how far you would be willing to go to silence those whose views are at odds with yours.
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water_watcher
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Bravo !
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9/15/2008 12:24:07 PM
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I agree. Excellent post both times.
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MythBuster
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9/15/2008 1:55:40 PM
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It takes a lot of nerve-- and not much sense-- to call someone else "beyond wrong" when it was YOU who made the post that had the errors.
Here are some of the facts:
"Detroit, MI (1st on the poverty rate list) hasn't elected a Republican mayor since 1961"
Yes, though they did elect Lou Miriani, who was non-partisan. "Non-partisan" means neither Democrat NOR Republican; it does NOT mean "not a Democrat, so obviously a Republican."
"Buffalo, NY (2nd) hasn't elected one since 1954"
Incorrect. James Griffin ran on 3 different party labels during his 16 years in office (1978-94). He served as a Republican from 1986-90.
"Cincinnati, OH (3rd)... since 1984"
Nope. 1971. Willis Gradison, who later served as Congressman. The opposition party in Cincinnati to Democrats were Charterites. When Ken Blackwell served as Mayor in 1979-80, he was a Charterite.
"Miami, FL (5th) has never had a Republican Mayor"
Incorrect. Miami-Dade County currently has a Republican Mayor, Carlos Alvarez. The City of Miami last had a Republican Mayor prior to the current Mayor, that being Joe Carollo, who left office in 2001.
"El Paso, TX (7th) has never had a Republican Mayor"
Incorrect. Fred Hervey was a Republican when he served his final term in 1973-75. There may have been others, but I haven't been able to track affiliations. One Dem Mayor endorsed Dubya.
"Milwaukee, WI (8th)... since 1908"
1912-16, Gerhard Bading was, I believe, a coalition candidate of both the Dems and GOP to oppose the Socialist majority in Milwaukee (they elected Socialist (Scandinavian/European style) party Mayors for decades).
"Newark, NJ(10th)... since 1907"
I believe Ralph Villani was a Republican (1949-53). All Dems since.
So, ten cities on your original list... and seven of them with incorrect information. Congratulations, you're batting .300!! If political posting were baseball, you'd be an All-Star. But it's not... so you're not. (Next time, try a little research; it works for most people. Cutting-and-pasting the ramblings of a biased member of the media- from EITHER side of the fence-- is never a good idea.)
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MartiniMan
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9/15/2008 2:08:46 PM
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I just checked one of your corrections (the one about Griffin of Buffalo). What I read was he was always a registered Democrat but was very conservative and was often supported by Republicans. Just curious the source of him being a registered Republican.
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MartiniMan
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I found your source
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9/15/2008 2:50:30 PM
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It was a cut and paste of a response in New Republic to the same list. I have only looked at the Griffin issue and could not corroborate the information. Not going to look at any others because regardless of factual errors it is indisputable that the worst economically performing cities have been overwhelmingly run by Democrats. That is not disputable.
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water_watcher
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I found your source
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9/15/2008 3:01:02 PM
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Isn't it amazing ... a liberal will cut and paste something and it is 100% factual, yet if someone else shares something that comes from the media that is cut and pasted it is garbage. He challenges the facts, when all they did is get information from a liberal rag and it is 100% factual.
So funny. It is so sad to see all these liberal in denial. They liberal savior Obama is falling fast in the polls and they are all nervous.
As I keep telling them, even if Obama loses they can still send their checks to the government to pay more in taxes and make governemnt bigger. That is of course unless they would be the ones benefiting from the liberal policies of redistributing wealth.
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MartiniMan
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I found your source
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9/15/2008 4:04:41 PM
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I anticipate silence or more ad hominem attacks against us evil Republicans. What they don't get is I am a conservative first. I support conservative Republicans because they are closer to my world view. I would support a Democrat if he/she were more conservative than their Republican opponent but there just aren't any.
My sense is that the race is neck in neck right now and we will be biting our nails until late in the evening on the first Tuesday of November. I am of the sad opinion that Obama still has a better than even chance of winning given the election year dynamics. Will be scary but we survived Jimmy Carter so we can survive Obama. I would say that I think the Dem establishment is having a bit of cognitive dissonance with Obama and either secretly wish Hillary had gotten the nomination or Obama had picked her as his VP. Under either of those scenarios I think they would have a lead over McCain and I doubt McCain would have picked Palin as his VP but who knows.
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