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Name:	Barneget -	Reply
Subject:	Free healtcare for all........
Date:	6/19/2009 4:18:24 PM

Our leaders, in both houses of Congress, at the urging of the current occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, are diligently working on a plan to provide healthcare for the uninsured. CBO estimates, released this week, indicate cost in excess of 1 TRILLION DOLLARS over the next ten years, this to provide insurance for less than 25% of the 50+ million reportedly without coverage. As I read this report aloud, my calculator started rattling around on the desk. I punched in my insurance numbers, using my cost for a BC/BS Family Plan. Let's see, 52 y/o, self employed, head of household, insuring himself, wife, 2 teen boys, $1000 deductible, $3000 annual stop loss limit, $2 mil max benefit, $470/month, $5640 annually, worst case, approx $9000 out of pocket. I punched in the CBO numbers -- ONE TRILLION, divided by 130 million (the estimated 13 million the plan would reach times 10 years) = $7692.37 PER PERSON PER YEAR. My head exploded. They, the very same people that led us to the brink of economic catastrophe, are now planning to spend $30,769.23 per family of 4, to provide the same coverage I buy in the private market for $20,000 LESS per year. Maybe one of the feel gooders that post with great frequency will take the time to help me understand why I should trust any of them, that this is nothing but short sighted Government intervention, an overt attempt to buy 13 million votes. Archie maybe? FEB/Hound? Perhaps some other Prius driver?

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	I'd be Interested in Hearing
Date:	6/19/2009 5:02:26 PM

your or some other Conservative's alternate plan. And saying the system isn't broken is not an answer.

Here is the problem -- the Administration has come up with a plan - and since I have only heard the cost, not the outline of the plan, I'm not going to make a value judgement yet.

But, I have yet to see ANYONE come up with another plan. We can't just stick our heads in the sand and say "leave it alone". Where is the debate? Where are the alternative plans?

My BCBS plan which I carried into retirement is going up double digit percents every year. So I have great coverage that is costing me more each year. And the reason it costs me more is because the uninsured keep showing up at emergency rooms every day to be treated, where they can't be turned away regardless of their ability to pay. Go to an emergency room one night and see who is there.
And then there are those that get hit with huge medical bills and end up filing bankruptsy. Those of us that pay, pay for them too.

We just had 8 years of a Bush Administration that ignored health care. Didn't even try to come up with a plan, government or private run.

I don't want a government run health care system any more than you do. But, unless someone comes up with an alternative that is going to cover the uninsured, that's what we're going to get.

And by the way, neither Feb or I drive a Prius. And even if we did, I'm not sure what it would have to do with the health care crisis.

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	I'd be Interested in Hearing
Date:	6/19/2009 5:06:23 PM

What was a matter with Mccain's plan that would provide $5,000 to purchase healthcare in the private sector for those that do not have it? BO and the dems criticized that ... why not they can get government to do it for 6 times that amount rather than leave it where it belongs ... in the private sector so we continue to have the best healthcare in the world. Why else would people from countries with Government healthcare come to this country to get treatment.

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	Excellent post !!!! (nfm)
Date:	6/19/2009 5:06:53 PM

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	I'd be Interested in Hearing
Date:	6/19/2009 5:13:34 PM

I do feel we need to find a way to "offer" healthcare "options" to those that need and want it. Provided they kick in some based on earnings (not just free) and they MUST MUST MUST be US citizens or here legally working toward that (no exceptions). But keep it in the private sector ... that is not broken and can and will do it cheaper than government. We do not need government controlling anymore of of lives and choices.

My employer provides and HMO (Kaiser). An excellent program and the cost the last two years has declined both for the employer and the employee share.

Name:	Barneget -	Reply
Subject:	I'd be Interested in Hearing
Date:	6/19/2009 5:20:47 PM

Hound, if I'm following your thoughts, your point is we insureds are paying for the uninsureds, and must seek a solution to that problem. I agree. That said, we are currently paying for those services WITHOUT health care rationing, without a more bloated government, and without an additional TRILLION dollars funneling through the hands of that group so worthy of our continued trust.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	I'd be Interested in Hearing
Date:	6/19/2009 5:44:21 PM

Yes, but if we do nothing and my and people like me health insurance costs continue to go up by double digit percentages, how long will it be before I can't afford my health insurance? I expect it to go up some, but 12% per year? And my Dr. told me last year, I was lucky that was all it went up. I'm not old enough for Medicare.

I share your frustration. And I don't think health care should be free, either. Where are the smart people putting their minds to this?

Name:	Swimmer27 -	Reply
Subject:	I will support BO's plan....
Date:	6/19/2009 5:44:40 PM

When it covers all federal employees, retirees, and politicians!! IF it is good enough for the masses, it is dam sure good enough for them.

Other than that, no way.

Hound I can't beleive you say there are no other plans on the table. There are in fact several. I can't call the names of the bills right now, but they are there. The MSM just chooses to ignore them. The biggest problem with healthcare is THIRD PARTY PAYERS. Go back to direct consumption where conumers pay dirctly and watch prices drop.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	We're in Violent agreement.
Date:	6/19/2009 5:57:03 PM

I don't think anything should be free, and I'm certainly not in favor of illegals getting care on us. (I'm very, very conservative about illegals).

I went to the emergency room on a Saturday night about a year ago. I was still in VA. The place was jammed with people, mostly Hispanic. Some of them seemed very sick. (in fact, I decided not to stay because I was afraid I was going to end up with something worse than what I went in with.) The ones that weren't Hispanic looked poor and sick. I would bet that most of them weren't paying for health care, and would not end up paying for health care services that night.

I'm not sure there is anything wrong with McCain's plan. But, a $5,000 tax credit assumes you have the $5,000 to start with. For me, it would be great, but others? Would they buy the health care? Maybe not.

But what would be great is if we had several viable plans on the table and really see them debated in terms of true cost and coverage. I don't view this as a partisan issue. And our pols need to get off their butts on this one. What I'm afraid of is that we'll get some kind of health care that Kennedy has been crafting all these years... and I'd hate to see them pass it in honor of Kennedy (with his brain tumor and all).

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	I will support BO's plan....
Date:	6/19/2009 6:08:38 PM

Don't worry, federal employees (but maybe not Congress) will be their test bed.

Well, if there are other plans on the table, why aren't they being debated? Hard to believe there is only one solution.

Name:	dvine -	Reply
Subject:	I will support BO's plan....
Date:	6/19/2009 10:38:41 PM

I don't want to see any government plan on the table. Everytime the government tries to handle a situation, it just gets worse. I do not want to live on Uncle Sam's plantation and have the master take care of all my needs.

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	I will support BO's plan....
Date:	6/20/2009 6:55:43 AM

because the BO dismisses every other plan as not viable because it does not give government control. He is all about big government and government power ... like most socialist followers of Marxist theories.

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