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peruecreek
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Gas Prices
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3/17/2008 3:11:38 PM
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With the water coming up and boating on the rise for this year can anyone post on the water gas prices that they have paid lately? Oil is off over $4.00 per barrel today with all the financial mess but it would be interesting to see what current prices are.
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DroughtBuster
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Gas Prices
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3/17/2008 3:33:20 PM
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That is a true deal. You really know how to find the bargains.
Whats your secret?
GS
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DJ
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Gas Prices
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3/17/2008 3:37:24 PM
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What are you talking about? There was no mention of "prices" it said Oil was off $4.00 a barrell? Did I miss something here?????
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DroughtBuster
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Gas Prices
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3/17/2008 4:47:19 PM
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Missed the off part DJ. These oil suppliers need to feel some heat from the govs. in order for this economy to get back on track. The fed and gov. can try and slow the pain with the soft markets but in order to stop the bleeding this oil crisis needs to be attacked head on.
Till that happens filling up at marinas will be PAINFUL.
GS
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| Name: |
DJ
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Gas Prices
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3/17/2008 4:56:19 PM
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I'll be hauling gas as usual again this year, but at least I'll be able to put it in at the dock and not out in the lake.......
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BigFoot
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Gas Prices
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3/17/2008 4:58:22 PM
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...about 10 min ago...afterhours trading, oil was at $106+ down $4+
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JIM
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Gas Prices
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3/17/2008 5:36:20 PM
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You folk`s sit in your ivory towers on the lake and grin ear to ear when property esculates in price counting and bragging about how smart you all are. But complain about the price( gas ,taxes, etc.. Folk`s it cost money to keep up with the Jones. The bottom line is you play, you pay. And if you are living above your means, as my Dad said , a fool and his money soon part ways
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This is a link to a map showing the total taxes on each gallon of gasoline sold in every state. Check it out and then tell me who is gouguing us.
URL: Gasoline Taxes by state
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| Name: |
DroughtBuster
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Gas Prices
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3/17/2008 6:22:26 PM
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Jim,
Dont know who you are but you're obviously the Big Jerk of the forum. Every forum has one.
A member here asked the question, what is the cost of gas at the marinas since the oil increase. Are we not entitled to answer him without being called know it all real estate owners and people living beyond our means? Where did you get all those angry assumptions?
Chill out Pal. Good greif.
GS
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DJ
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Gas Prices
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3/17/2008 6:35:16 PM
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One thing about it Jim, those that do not concern themselves with the prices of gas, how much your property is worth, the amount of tax and how much you have to pay to play are the ones whom are parted with more of their money the quickest. I guess you would just sell your home for what you paid for it then and not concern yourself with how much equity you have built? A better saying is take care of your pennies and your dollars will take care of themselves.
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| Name: |
DJ
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Gas Prices
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3/17/2008 6:38:15 PM
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So back to the original question, anyone bought gas out on the lake, if so how much was it a gallon?
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water_watcher
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Gas Prices
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3/17/2008 7:36:08 PM
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Only $45 a barrel higher than last year.
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water_watcher
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Gas Prices
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3/17/2008 7:42:30 PM
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You are a strange strange person. I don't think they were complaining ... just stating the fact. Who likes to pay $4 gas prices? It is not about affording. I own 3 homes and it does not matter if I can afford to pay for the high gas prices I still dont like it. What I don't like is the democrats to say Exxon is making too much money and we should take more from them. As a percent of their revenue they make less than most high tech companies like CISCO or Intel, but they are not saying a word about that. Their comments are only political because people see and feel high gas. But they fail to mention that Exxon also is one of the highest tax revenue contrbutor to the government on those high profits for all the government give away programs.
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water_watcher
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Gas Prices
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3/17/2008 7:44:25 PM
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Excellent response. Way to go. Thanks
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DJ
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Gas Prices
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3/17/2008 8:20:18 PM
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Huh? I think this was not in response to my reply was it?
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Feb
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Gas Prices
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3/17/2008 9:10:50 PM
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Hey BigFoot, I will use your post as a response point since you are such a good natured cuss. LOL
Another reason we are paying heavily at the pump is the devaluation of the dollar. You notice the price per barrel of oil is quoted in dollars.
Why is the dollar going down so much in value?
Well, there are numerous reasons and amongst them is the heavy National Deficit we are incurring and passing on to our future generations.
I read recently where Germany is paying the equivalent of nine dollars per gallon of gas. We might think we are lucky, but there are many in our Nation who are suffering terribly.
This might of been part of JIM's sarcastic basic point to many of us to think about. Instead of worrying about gas for boats, they are worring about gas to get to work. .
I guess some can afford boat gas with the wellfare check we are all about to receive courtesy of our President and Congress. All of which will go to raising the National Deficit.
Yes, the initial question was not about econmics but simple how much are marinas charging. We migh also ask how old is the gas in the marina's storage tanks.
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Tallyman
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Gas Prices
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3/17/2008 9:32:52 PM
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Gas in the European Union was about 9 euros a gallon this time last year, when I was there. (3 euros a litre). Since gas is priced in dollars, and euros now cost about $1.50, the cost has gone down in the EU, if you live and work there and are paid in euros. It has gone up if you are a US tourist.
We may expect gas at more than four dollars this summer and higher in the immediate future due to our country's excessive debt that causes the value of the dollar to go down.
Personally, I just bought a Honda Civic to run around town. I can afford gas for my big truck but I don't want to give unnecessarily to OPEC including Cesar Chavez.
On the other hand, the cost of gas should reduce traffic on the lake.
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Tallyman
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3/17/2008 9:33:33 PM
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Gas in the European Union was about 9 euros a gallon this time last year, when I was there. (3 euros a litre). Since gas is priced in dollars, and euros now cost about $1.50, the cost has gone down in the EU, if you live and work there and are paid in euros. It has gone up if you are a US tourist.
We may expect gas at more than four dollars this summer and higher in the immediate future due to our country's excessive debt that causes the value of the dollar to go down.
Personally, I just bought a Honda Civic to run around town. I can afford gas for my big truck but I don't want to give unnecessarily to OPEC including Cesar Chavez.
On the other hand, the cost of gas should reduce traffic on the lake.
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BiggerDog
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Gas Prices
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3/17/2008 9:50:56 PM
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A better saying is stay the "heII out of other peoples business."
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DJ
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Hey peruecreek repost
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3/17/2008 9:52:32 PM
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Hey peruecreek, looks like no one really understood your question about "prices of gas on the lake" can you repost this question and type
it a little slower so they understand the question and we don't get everything except the answer......
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Make it real slow so I can understand. I haven't bought any this year so I can't tell you the price, but as rule of thumb it will be .50 more than in town. Problem is, 'in town' prices are varied by as much as .25 lately. Gas in Dadeville today was 3.19, I waited and filled up in Opelika for 2.99. and then saw it in Newnan at 3.29.
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| Name: |
DJ
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Gas Prices
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3/17/2008 10:07:32 PM
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You mean like your doing right now? And have done in the past? like this reply in the thread titled "lost our place" "Stellar thought went into this very detailed analysis. JIM, do you charge a consulting fee for your invaluable advice"? listen "BUGGERDOG" your one who could follow your own advise.
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3.79 for regular @ chucks..... hmmm, that was easy!
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Bamaonthelake
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Gas Prices & JIm
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3/17/2008 10:39:58 PM
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Jim owns Jim's Bait Shop.
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DJ
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Gas Prices & JIm
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3/17/2008 10:50:41 PM
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Good way to drum up new customers, go on the forum for the lake where your bait shop is and bash some folks dumb-a$$style!
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DroughtBuster
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Gas Prices
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3/17/2008 10:55:10 PM
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Type it slower Clearwater. Do over so I can catch it next time.
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Feb
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Gas Prices & JIm
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3/17/2008 10:57:36 PM
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Sorry, You have the wrong Jim. Besides, JIM's bate shop has a different prefix name to it if you catch my drift. LOL
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rude evin
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Gas Prices
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3/17/2008 11:01:29 PM
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TWAGBL............
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Lakeman
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Gas Prices & JIm
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3/18/2008 8:40:00 AM
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The Jim of " Jims Bait Shop " is about three owners back. The current owner's name is Jackie.
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Feb
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3/18/2008 9:31:58 AM
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Thanks Tallyman for the additional clarification from your experience.
We are finding out from a National perspective - it is best to either cut spending or raise taxes to cover our spending. Running a huge National Deficit hurts and will be a further burden to our children and future generations of Americans.
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MartiniMan
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Dollar Value
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3/18/2008 10:15:46 AM
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Feb:
I agree that the weak dollar accounts for a portion of the rise in oil prices (I heard recently that it accounts for around 40% of the recent rise). As for the cause of the weak dollar it is actually not the deficit (which actually makes the dollar stronger). The value of the dollar is impacted by supply and demand on what is known as the Forex market (Foreign Exchange). When there is high demand for U.S. dollars the currency is stronger and vice versa. There is no right answer as to whether we do or don't benefit from a weak dollar. For example, with a weak dollar our exports are cheaper and it benefits U.S. manufacturing and tourism. The opposite of that is the cost of imports and travel abroad rise with a weak dollar. So how it impacts someone's individual economy depends on their circumstances. Below is a list of items that drive the value of our currency (this comes from the Fed's website so it is allegedly non partisan).
Factors Contributing to a Strong Currency
-Higher interest rates in home country than abroad
-Lower rates of inflation
-A domestic trade surplus relative to other countries
-A large, consistent government deficit crowding out domestic borrowing
-Political or military unrest in other countries
-A strong domestic financial market
-Strong domestic economy/weaker foreign economies
-No record of default on government debt
-Sound monetary policy aimed at price stability.
Factors Contributing to a Weak Currency
-Lower interest rates in home country than abroad
-Higher rates of inflation
-A domestic trade deficit relative to other countries
-A consistent government surplus
-Relative political/military stability in other countries
-A collapsing domestic financial market
-Weak domestic economy/stronger foreign economies
-Frequent or recent default on government debt
-Monetary policy that frequently changes objectives.
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Feb
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3/18/2008 10:30:07 AM
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Thank You MartiniMan. I do think we agree the hign National Deficit is not a good thing.
The informed debate argument you make is the large National Deficit does not weaken the dollar. This does surprise me. I guess I have difficulty separating the weak economy with the simultaneous high and climbing deficit. In my mind's eye they seem to go hand in hand.
I seem to correlate it to municipal bonds and the bond ratings.
I appreciate your correction if it is in fact so.
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water_watcher
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Gas Prices
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3/18/2008 12:31:25 PM
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No it was in response to Jim. You have to look at the indent on the chain of messages to see who it falls under.
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MartiniMan
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3/18/2008 1:49:53 PM
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Feb: I am like you, I don't like debt. But I think if you look at our current debt vis-a-vis our gross domestic product it is actually nowhere near historical highs. Unless you have a demagogue economist (i.e., someone tied to a politician that benefits from making the national debt an issue) , most agree that the level of debt today is not something we need to be concerned about from an economic standpoint. One thing I believe from experience is that there are two ways to reduce the national debt, lower government spending and lower taxes. Its worked every time its tried.
As for its relationship to the value of the dollar it seems a bit counterintuitive but like a lot of economic issues its just the way it is. I still take exception to a debit being a debit and a credit being a credit. I guess my rebellion is why I got C's in accounting. :-)
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PC Al
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Dollar Value
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3/18/2008 4:59:26 PM
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To MartiniMan and FEB:
A very civil pro and con from the two of you and I for one applaud you for such an apparent respect for the other’s opinion. If only everyone on this forum could take such a civil approach to different opinions. I am no expert on the economy, but I tend to side with FEB though. But, on the other hand, I hope MartiniMan is correct. I think everyone in government is scared out of their pants right now and we don’t exactly have a past to compare with what is happening right now. I will give the Administration credit for at least trying something. I just don’t see borrowing foreign money to try to bale out this mess. You can be sure Bin Laden is having a good laugh at this time.
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Tallyman
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Dollar Value
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3/18/2008 9:40:33 PM
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I guess if MartiniMan is getting his information from the federal government it must be true. I'm no Adam Smith myself. However, I do know that right now, no one wants our dollars.
Imagine this. I am a sheik and I have oil. Someone from the US wants to give me paper dollars for my very real oil. What can I buy with my paper dollar? What does the US have that I can buy with my paper?
(I know, we still have some manufacturing capability left and some agricultural items for sale. But that is about it.)
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MartiniMan
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3/18/2008 9:52:00 PM
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I guess I am not really disagreeing with Feb so much as pointing out there is a lot more to a weak dollar than just the issue of oil prices. Its kind of funny if you think about it, a weak dollar raises oil prices which increases the cost of imports and the weak dollar makes our products cheaper on the world market which reduces the trade deficit. Sort of the yin and yang of our trade balance.
One point though is in 2006, about 60% of the petroleum consumed in the U.S. was imported from foreign countries (source is the Energy Information Administration). Here are the top five which account for over 60% of our total imports:
Canada (17.5%)
Saudia Arabia (11.9%)
Mexico (11.8%)
Venezuela (11.2%)
Nigeria (9.1%)
Of those I have the most anxiety about Saudia Arabia and Venezuela. I think the bigger issue is that we import so much oil. A part of that is our demand and the rest is a result of our domestic fields being so mature and the moratorium on drilling in places like ANWR, Gulf of Mexico, off California, etc. No easy solution but it seems to me we need to combine conservation with increased domestic production until the free market finds a cost-effective solution.
As for me, I am going to suck it up and burn some gas on Lake Martin this summer. We didn't put our boat back in after the 4th of July week and I really missed the fun!
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| Name: |
MartiniMan
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3/18/2008 10:01:13 PM
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Tallyman:
I think the information is accurate as to what impacts the value of the dollar and you are right, the biggest problem is a lack of demand for our dollars. The list I included was meant to answer the question as to why the demand is less than in the past although I have to admit I don't know which of the factors is having the biggest impact. It seems to me that we could do things to bolster the value of the dollar but it will hurt manufacturing exports. One other surprising statistic, the US is by far the largest manufacturer of goods in the world although we are headed in the wrong direction.
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BiggerDog
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3/18/2008 11:27:05 PM
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i am not this jim clown, and frankly i was speaking to his opinion and agreeing with you dumbas. Take the backup when you can get it - and stellar thought would be quite too much for the average intellect of this site to absurb in any one sitting.
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| Name: |
DJ
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Gas Prices
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3/19/2008 2:56:44 AM
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Your post was after mine not his, learn where to put your post and this would not happen Mr. Brainiac!
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| Name: |
LifeIsGood
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Dollar Value
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3/19/2008 11:59:43 AM
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Excellent Post! I have been telling this to anyone that will listen for weeks. Much of the run up in oil is related to the dollar. That being said, everything in the world is related to supply and demand. You can put every Chinese and Indian person in a brand new car and oil demand will not double in 1 ½ years. Whether homes on Lake Martin or Gas at the Marina, it’s all about supply and demand. Unfortunately for all of us, our wages are not adjusted based upon a weakening dollar, so bring on the $4 - $5 Marina gas!
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| Name: |
finman
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Gas Prices
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3/23/2008 7:48:17 PM
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GAS AT WIND CREEK STATE PARK ON SAT/22ND WAS 4.05
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