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MartiniMan
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PAI at -17
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12/21/2009 12:52:19 PM
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Been watching the Rasumssen PAI which has been holding steady at -15 to -20. It looks like he will end his first year with the lowest approval numbers of any President after one year in office. How's that hopey changey thing going for you independents and moderates that gave us Obama/Reid/Pelosi? You folks are to blame....sadly, we will all have to live with the results, at least until November 2010.
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Summer Lover
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Why
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12/21/2009 1:05:57 PM
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Do you think that we "independents" are responsible for the meltdown in D.C.? I am an independent and have always voted against the Dumbocrat in the presidential elections and voted Republican't. The reason I am NOT a D or an R, is that I want small Government. The D's seem intent on running everything from the national level, and the R's are trying to legislate morality.
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MartiniMan
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Easy to explain
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12/21/2009 1:29:04 PM
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If you look at the electoral landscape you have roughly 30% to 35% that routinely vote for either party with 30% to 40% of what is commonly called swing voters...those self proclaimed independents and moderates. In this election cycle, for a variety of reasons (the Iraq war, profligate spending of Republicans, naivete believing that Obama wasn't the statist that he clearly is, etc.) the swing voters took a hope on change and allowed the loony left to control the White House and Congress. That is not to say that every independent or moderate voted for Obama or Dems in congressional races. Enough of them did to give us this fiasco. If you did not then good for you....the comment doesn't apply to you. The general comment is not only valid but indisputable.
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Summer Lover
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Understand
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12/21/2009 1:47:00 PM
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I also think that we saw more block voting in this last election than we had seen in the past. I fear the mentality of this group far more than those who were looking for "something/anything else." Although I would like to see a Constitutional Party, I do not believe that is in the cards, and will contnue to vote damage control. As long as the Second Amendment remains in effect, we SHOULD not see the final collapse.
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MartiniMan
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Understand
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12/21/2009 2:40:13 PM
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As much as I like the idea of a 3rd party my fear is that it will just end up electing Democrats. Most of the genuine 3rd party movements come from the right (Tea Party) or Libertarians. Either pull way more votes from Republicans than Democrats, thereby ensuring electoral success for the left. Watch to media in 2010 and 2012 and the number of positive stories about the Tea Party Movement. They will be on the upswing in a big way to encourage candidates to jump on board and splitting the conservative vote.
The real answer is to return the Republican party to its days of fiscal and social conservatism when we controlled Congress.
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Summer Lover
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Don't understand
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12/21/2009 2:46:47 PM
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I do NOT want social conservatism, I do NOT want the Government telling us what consenting adults can and can't do. Unfortunately, I cannot vote the way that I would like because I know the R's need the votes, and feel that they are by far the lesser of two evils. I just don't know why the R's say that they are for smaller Government, when they want more intrusion into our private lives.
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GoneFishin
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Sum Lov
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12/21/2009 2:56:34 PM
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"I do NOT want social conservatism, I do NOT want the Government telling us what consenting adults can and can't do."
"I just don't know why the R's say that they are for smaller Government, when they want more intrusion into our private lives."
GREAT, GREAT statements. When the RIGHT begins to understand that liberties go beyond what they believe, they will once again be the party of choice.
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MartiniMan
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Don't understand
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12/21/2009 4:17:00 PM
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No, I understand exactly what you are saying and it is a conundrum. Do you vote for a candidate that may be with you on fiscal issues but not exactly with you on social issues, or vice versa? You are faced with a tough decision. Do you abandon fiscal sanity so you can "do what you want in the privacy of your bedroom" or do you live with a candidate that maybe doesn't believe in gay marriage or some other social issue that is apparently important to you.
I admit it is easier for me because I am a fiscal and social conservative....by that I mean that I am for small government, a strong national defense and traditional values. No candidate is perfect but for me, there was no choice in 2008 other than the Republican ticket. For many social liberals, they were willing to allow the long term damage to our economy and national defense in order to achieve their social goals. Many took a chance and as the polls clearly show have quickly come to regret their decision.
I could go on all day why neither I nor other conservatives care what you do in your bedroom. We care when activists try to foist their social beliefs on us through legislation and the courts. But I have found that distinction usually can't penetrate ideology.
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MartiniMan
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Sum Lov
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12/21/2009 4:23:39 PM
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GF, as I think you know liberty is not something granted by government but it can sure be taken away. The current health care bill will reduce liberty way more than something as offensive to you as reserving marriage between one man and one woman or protecting the life of an innocent baby before it has been born. As I stated in my response, what I object to is being forced to accept your concept of liberty or rights as if you hold some morally superior position over mine. I believe what I believe and will vote thus and assume you will do likewise. We are still a center right country and other than leftist legislating from the courts I suspect my view will win out way more often than yours.
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MartiniMan
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Don't understand
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12/21/2009 4:40:55 PM
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I would add that despite what you personally look for out of the Republican party in order to support them, the only time they have enjoyed widespread electoral success was when they were fiscally conservative and supported traditional family values. And when they abandon those basic principals as they did during the Bush administration they were drummed out of office, and rightly so.
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Summer Lover
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Don't understand
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12/21/2009 4:48:46 PM
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This goes far beyond our bedrooms - blue laws for instance, were initiated by the religious right to force their beliefs on all of us. Especially now, we are a 24/7/365.24 society, so it makes no sense to have no Sunday alcohol sales. In the late '70's in the Auburn/Opelika area, we had a local preacher/priest going to businesses that were open on Sunday in defiance of the law and having the places shut down. What is the arguement against gambling - immoral - to whom? These are all examples of conservative activism that attempts to alter our behavior.
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Summer Lover
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Not what I look for
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12/21/2009 4:51:50 PM
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I agree that the R's should be conservative across the board and that their wavering was a principle cause of their defeats. I am not saying that the R's should bend to fit my beliefs, I am saying that we need a third party that more closely follows the Constitution for guidance.
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MartiniMan
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Not what I look for
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12/21/2009 5:05:22 PM
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And I am telling you that your third party will guarantee Democrat control and you will get more of the lunacy. I suggest you look at countries with multi-party systems and ask yourself if you want to go through the nightmare of coalition governments, calls for early elections, constant uncertainty, etc. For all our faults out system is much more stable and tends to not create the kind of seismic shifts that decimate the economy. There is a reason most of Europe lives with 10% unemployment even though the U.S. pays for their national defense.
It seems to me the two issues you are concerned about (blue laws and state gambling) aren't even issues Congress or the White House even get interested in let alone legislating.
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alahusker
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I have strong feelings,
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12/21/2009 8:10:41 PM
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alahusker
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I have strong feelings,
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12/21/2009 8:31:40 PM
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(Oops, too fast on the enter button mea culpa) To continue, strong feelings, both ways. Federal oversight of my bedroom, not! Legal gambling in 'Bama' and sunday booze sales.. no problem here. My tax dollars paying for elective, 3rd term abortions, I have a problem.. The federal government taking over the automotive, banking and insurance industries I find difficult. The federal government taking control of the health industry, 1/6th of our GDP, I'm really worried.. just look at the track record, do we want to model federal health care after the Postal service, medicare, social security, or the IRS? I worry that we are headed toward full up socialism, and gone fishing and architech are sanguine with the direction.
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willallie
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PAI at -17
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12/21/2009 10:08:34 PM
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I am the first to admit that everyone else on this forum seems far more politically savvy than me...I am just a citizen, with no government/or other connections...spouting this and that about my time with the government, etc My question...IF and WHEN healtcare reform is passed b/c of WH buying votes, Americans are pi,,ed off because it passed. we then elect the other party to be in charge....is there anything that can be done to "UNDO" the wrong? OR, will anything change? I think not. We are all scre..wed...
I personally think if you or I went to Washington to make the GREAT CHANGE... we would get there and find out there is nothing we can do. It is a club, the Washington Club, Not the People Club. The Charisma will pull you in and once you feel the pull, you cannot let go.
There should never be "lifer" politicians... I admit we need some people who know the ropes, as in any business, you keep some people with know around to let the young folks know what they are doing. After the "old-timers" gracefully leave (with a gold imitation Rolex watch), you move on and try to learn from mistakes.
I just hope I can keep my insurance.
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Summer Lover
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Correct
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12/21/2009 10:53:10 PM
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I think you have pegged it. It is all about the party and/or the politics, not the people.
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Summer Lover
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I have strong feelings,
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12/21/2009 11:07:05 PM
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My point is that the Government’s influence on our lives should be small. How can it be so hard to comprehend that more regulation IS more government? I am NOT saying that the R’s are responsible for limits on alcohol sales and gambling, but conservatives are. If the R’s are supporting that tack, then they ARE for more regulation. As far as late term abortions, I think that after first trimester, they should be illegal, but do not think that birth control is termination of life. When it comes down to it, I will stand with the conservatives including MM, because I do think that they are more in keeping with the original intent of this country. The above are my thoughts/feelings/opinions. Bottom line - 308 rules, 223 follows, and our friend 45 is there to help out…
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MartiniMan
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Today's PAI at -21
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12/22/2009 1:53:43 PM
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