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Arnold
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Martin 478 and rising
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2/8/2008 3:12:10 PM
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Pulses from Harris project are encouraging. Wadley gage on the Tallapoosa is a good indicator of prospective contributions to Martin. Hopefully the rain chances for next week materialize so the beat goes on throughout the watershed.
URL: http://waterdata.usgs.gov/nwis/uv?cb_00060=on&cb_00065=on&format=gif_default&period=30&site_no=02414500
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Chevy4x4
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hopefully
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2/8/2008 3:13:33 PM
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by july we they are forced to open flood gates! :)
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PartTimer
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Martin 478 and rising
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2/8/2008 6:40:40 PM
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Hard to get too excited when we are still TWELVE feet from full pool! How much rain will be required to actually fill it tp near full pool and allow it to remain that way for most of the Summer months?! Not likely to come anywhere close, IMO.
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| Name: |
Arnold
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Martin 478 and rising
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2/8/2008 7:00:42 PM
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I share your skepticism about the rainfall prospects for this year's typical 'wet' season. But, I predicate my enthusiasm on APCo's reservoir management in our basin during this drought. Keep in mind that 12ft below full pool is typical for this date and inline with APCo's operating guideline (not the flood control rule curve value of 480ft). Given the paucity of rainfall we've had to date, if APCo continues their diligent reservoir storage management, I believe we may get close to full pool, even if spring rains fall short of average.
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Bob
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Martin 478 and rising
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2/8/2008 8:59:33 PM
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Actually we are in great shape if we have anything near normal rainfall. Keep in mind that in all years previous (well for the 25 I can remember), the "plug" was not put in the dam until around the 18th of February. Many years the lake would start coming up on that date from 478 or 479. The last few weeks have allowed us to approach NORMAL levels for this time of year. We are NOT down 12 feet now we are down just over a foot from where we are typically...normal rains will get us to above 485 by Easter...thats my prediction...hope I am right....
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| Name: |
Arnold
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Martin 478 and rising
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2/8/2008 9:41:31 PM
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18 Feb is the longstanding 'rule curve' inflection point date for fill'in notwithstanding the current variance in effect. Looks like this year we'll cross that threshold serendipitously anyway. The big challenge is overcoming the extant hydrological drought--more rainfall than 'normal ' is needed for that.
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LifeTime Laker
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Excellent point Bob
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2/9/2008 9:28:56 AM
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Also it is important to remember that when APCO applied for the variance, they used the average of the last two years (both below 'normal' rainfall) and even reduced it by 10%, then by using the Jan. date instead of Feb. they were able to fill the lake in thier computer simulations. If I recall, they even said that in each of those years there had been two rain events each year that would have filled the lake between the two dates.
I will point out again, that everyone needs to be prepared for some RAPID rises this year. By having the Jan date instead of Feb, they are likely to 'fall behind' the revised ' curve', this will allow them to raise the lake faster than 'normal' to catch up. Be sure to secure all watercraft and floating piers in such a manner as to allow for this rise.
As Bob pointed out, we are actually closer to 'normal' than not, but with the revised winter pool, we are techically already 5ft behind the curve. Trust me when I say that APCO wants the lake full more that we do. To most us it is just our pleasure, to them it is $$$$$. BIG $$$$$. It is the hydro plants that allow them to sell power 'to the grid' at rates MANY times what we pay. They don't want to burn coal for this. Hydro power is like 'free money' to them, and in return us.
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DroughtBuster
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Excellent point Bob
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2/9/2008 10:41:34 AM
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I, like everyone else really hope the rain patterns improve over the next few years. Another year or two of this and I can see a mass exodus of lakers, boaters and lake residents. People will give up on playing this chess match with Alabama Power each Spring and will take their boats, lakehouse and recreation dollars to other places, like, less- affected lakes and the coastal areas (especially if the hurricanes keep away).
This year will determine alot to say the least...
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LifeTime Laker
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Excellent point Bob
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2/9/2008 12:10:04 PM
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We can only hope....lol.
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We are in decent shape. Over the last several years we have fallen below the winter pool level and did not get back to winter pool until late February. Considering how far down we were, and to look like we will rising above winter pool by the middle of this month looks darn good to me. I can launch my boat from my own ramp at 482 and with any luck that could be early march. That makes me happy.
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LOL....you beat me to it; that was the exact prase that popped into my mind!
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bishop812
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Martin 478 and rising
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2/10/2008 6:14:49 PM
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How can anyone say that the lake wil reach full pool this year with normal rainfall? If we have only gone up a few feet this last couple of months, the lake surface is larger each inch it rises, which means it will take more rain than ever. I am not a glass half filled guy but am trying to be realistic. I hope someone can explain how this lake will get filled this year.
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water_watcher
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Martin 478 and rising
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2/10/2008 7:45:25 PM
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You are a glass have empty person rather than half full. The lake may not reach full poll ... but how it could is no different than other years when it was at the same point. It fills from rain fall and releases in to the lake. The good news is that they are not releasing so it has the chance to fill faster. With normal rain fall that could happen very quickly. In 2005 it rose over 4 feet in March. When it starts happening it comes quickly. I think everyone is trying to think positive after a rough year last year. That does not make it happen, but I would rather think it will than be negative.
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Jack
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R U smarter than a 5th grader?
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2/10/2008 10:40:41 PM
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I can guarantee the lake will reach full pool if we get normal rainfall for the rest of 2008. Unfortunately, nobody can guarantee normal rainfall. Pray for rain.
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Arnold
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R U smarter than a 5th grader?
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2/11/2008 9:39:28 AM
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What do you consider 'normal' and is May 1st your target date for full pool according to the APCo operating guideline?
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LifeTime Laker
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R U smarter than a 5th grader?
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2/12/2008 9:50:02 AM
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Once again I will point out that the lake used to be 'drawn down' 30ft
EVERY year. It also filled up every year. With anything even aproaching 'normal' rainfall the lake WILL fill. But even if it doesn't, what good is carping and complaining going to do. Are we in for another year of everybody ( and by everybody I mean those certain few that last year thought they could) thinking they can do a better job of lake management than APCO? Well if you think so the current lisence expires in 2013, apply to the FERC to mangae the lake. I am sure they will give each of you a LOT of consideration. <sarcasm OFF>
The only absolute in life is death. The powers than be have been put on alert now. If APCO had been granted the consierations they ask for in June of last year in a reasonable time, last year would not have been so bad. But it was late August or September before the downstream flow variance was granted.
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bishop812
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R U smarter than a 5th grader?
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2/12/2008 6:59:59 PM
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I agree with evrything you are saying LTL, except I think they should have let the lake get to fullpool in the spring as soon as possible instead of letting water out to stay with rule curve. I am not blaming APCO, I just think everyone deserves a piece of the blame pie. I am not complaining but looking at the post's that the lake will fill and watching it fill .10 a day, I don't seeing it fill to next year. I hope I am wrong but I don't think so. If I am wrong I will gladly post a message stating that.
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| Name: |
Lakeman
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R U smarter than a 5th grader?
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2/13/2008 7:20:46 AM
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The lake will not reach normal full pool this year unless we have some major rains.
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estreetfan2
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R U smarter than a 5th grader?
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2/13/2008 3:56:36 PM
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You guys just watch-she's gonna come up. I have faith.
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| Name: |
LifeTime Laker
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R U smarter than a 5th grader?
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2/17/2008 5:45:35 PM
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Flagrant violations could end up with their license being pulled (not likely but possible), heavy fines and/or even tighter restrictions and controls being put in place. They requested the variance in June but it took several months for the corps to respond. That is one issue that is being looked at now. How can response times be speeded up? Why can't state/local authorities have more control?
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