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Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	McCain to spend $300Billion
Date:	10/7/2008 11:23:56 PM

I can't believe after we just passed a $700billion bailout bill which I supported that McCain announces in the debate his NEW economic plan to buy up $300billion of bad mortgages. That is what the "bailout" is for John. Then in the next breath he wants to freeze expenses.
I hope when his spin buddies get through they will say the 300 is part of the 700!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

His plan sounds like REAL SOCIALISM to me.

Name:	Feb -	Reply
Subject:	McCain to spend $300Billion
Date:	10/8/2008 12:40:30 AM

I would hope the Federal Government would crack down on the lenders who offered loans with out question and borroweres who committed fraud by overexagerated their salary to qualify for home loans. If a single law was browken, then they should pay for the crimes they committed. The Government paying off their debt or loans and then letting them keep the house is not fair to the rest of America who ends up paying for stupidity and/or fraud.

Additional money should be provided to auditors and law enforcement to nail both lendors and borrowers who committed fraud in the sub-prime shell game.

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	Again your ignorance
Date:	10/8/2008 7:39:58 AM

You obviously do not know what socialism is. So I will help:

Socialists mainly share the belief that capitalism unfairly concentrates power and wealth into a small section of society who control capital, and creates an unequal society. All socialists advocate the creation of an egalitarian society, in which wealth and power are distributed more evenly, although there is considerable disagreement among socialists over how, and to what extent this could be achieved.

This is EXACTLY what you hear Obama saying over and over. People do not realize the "Change" he is talking about is changing our government to socialism. That has been the liberal doctrine for some time. "Class Envy" Take away from those that have achieved and give it to those that have not to even things out. It has failed everywhere.

No matter if I agree or disagree with what McCain surfaced ... it is not socialism. Why do you constantly feel the need to demonstrate your ignorance?

McCains proposal has to do with people who bought there home at the peak and now the value is less than their mortgage. The have the ability to pay, but they have no equity and they feel it is better to walk away. This adds to pressure on the banks since now they have another default mortgage and it continues to put pressure on the housing market.

That is not socialism. It is what he said, it is a way to stop the spiral by renegotiating those mortgages so liquidity stays in the banking system and people stay in their homes.

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	McCain to spend $300Billion
Date:	10/8/2008 7:52:47 AM

While I have not agreed with a lot of what you have said ... I agree with this. It is also what McCain proposed as a cosponsor of a bill 3 years ago and the dems blocked it, and Obama was suing banks that were not giving enough sub prime loans.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	And Obama wants to spend $1T
Date:	10/8/2008 8:02:46 AM

Gee, you are all bunched up about McCain proposing to spend our money to try to stem the bloodletting in the economy but don't seem to worry about Obama proposing to spend $1TRILLION in new spending on more aid to the U.N., government takeover of health care, etc., etc. So let's see, allocating these funds to try to head off a recession is socialism but spending $1 Trillion on social programs is.......well, what is it? Oh, I know, its fair.

If you made any sense at all this wouldn't be so easy. Hypocrisy, lack of logical thought, emotion over substance, a willingness to repeat the mistakes of the past......all part and parcel of the liberal mindset.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Thanks for the flame
Date:	10/8/2008 10:39:52 AM

Makes more people read the post which is good because they need to understand the fallacy of GF's thought processes. Keep flaming!

Name:	water_watcher -	Reply
Subject:	Here is the sad truth
Date:	10/8/2008 11:16:28 AM

The sad part is that people weren't lying, but they had to meet the quota of sub prime loans under the pretense of "affordable housing". The regulator did blow the whistle and the democrats beat up on the regulator for trying to get policy changed. The dems kept denying there was a problem and were praising Fannie and Freddie for the "great work" and "outstanding leadership" of Franklin Raines.

Watch the video.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=_MGT_cSi7Rs

URL: The sad Truth

Name:	AUCATZ -	Reply
Subject:	Here is the sad truth
Date:	10/8/2008 12:44:35 PM

I went to work for a bank in the days of the Resolution Trust mess. During the 9 years I was in banking, I experienced the wonders of CRA (government mandated Community Reinvestment Act) that literally forced banks to make loans based on racial and low-income metrics. This was the beginning of the current loan mess. The government should have never inserted itself into loan eligibility. Over the years corporate and personal greed played into the situation as most loan officers are paid a low salary and a commission or bonus for loan production. Then financial companies saw the buying of loans as a lucrative venture to pad their portfolios. It was a house of cards destined to fail. Add to that the real estate practice of over-inflating house values, regardless of the eligibility of the prospective buyer, and here we are in this mess.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	McCain to spend $300Billion
Date:	10/8/2008 8:52:23 PM

Not socialism, just pure plain panic politics. He's trying to buy voters. He's going down and he knows it. He's trying to be all things to all people, and all he can do at this point is sling mud at Obama's knees. I think he secretly wants to be a liberal democrat.

Not even the people here who are rabidly supporting him on this board now had him as their first choice. The man doesn't understand economics. He just wants to be the Prez so he can go bully 3rd world countries and tell everyone how great he is. We're looking at Bush III here. (Bush couldn't even get that arrogant off his face yesterday when he held a press conference to talk about the financial crisis.) He's screwed up the country, but what does he care? He doesn't understand it anyway, and since he's independently wealthy with family money, it isn't a problem for him.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Walking, talking cliche
Date:	10/9/2008 6:55:38 AM

You are one cliche after another from the Obama campaign talking points, I know, the Messiah Obama, the great and holy one who must be worshipped is pure of heart and only wants to help the poor and downtrodden people. Only McCain (and every other conservative for that matter) are evil, power hungry, neanderthal thugs. I bet you think he even stayed in the Hanoi Hilton for years after he was offered a release just so he could use it when he runs for President, dont you? That self centered, self serving politican!!!

In my view Obama is the 2nd term of Jimmy Carter and I wouldn't trade a 3rd term of Bush for Carter any day. I know, you blame this entire financial mess on Bush despite the indisputable evidence that he and Republicans have been trying for years to rein Fannie and Freddie in but have been blocked by Dems. I keep forgetting that logic and evidence mean nothing for the Bush Derangement Syndrome crowd.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Walking, talking cliche
Date:	10/9/2008 8:14:23 AM

That's where you would be wrong. In another thread, I think I stated that I am totally disgusted by both of them -- It's just a matter of whose taxes they cut and whose money they spend to get their "new" initiatives off the ground.

I have previously stated that I think John McCain's military service is admirable, but his wrapping himself in the flag is wearing a little thin. Yes, he was a POW, so eere a lot of others. I saw a news report last night on CNN where they interviewed a guy that is the head of a non-partisan veterans group. They just issued a report card report on all members of Congress concerning how they voted on veteran's issues legislation. John McCain got a D because he only voted 4 out of 9 times for veterans benefits. Whenever I hear someone wrapping themselves in the flag of patriotism, I get very leery. (By the way, I feel the same when someone takes on the mantle of "what I've done for the poor and disinfranchised". )

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Walking, talking cliche
Date:	10/9/2008 11:11:34 AM

I am just responding to your previous post and I stand by my characterization. I know you are tired of hearing about his service but for some of us that means a lot. To you empty promises aout hope and change mean something. To me they are mindless platitudes.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Walking, talking cliche
Date:	10/9/2008 3:16:44 PM

Look, in my family we had a WWI, WWII and 3 Viet Nam vets so I'm hardly one to take anything away from service to the country and putting one's self in harms way, but he rides it like a pony. It doesn't make him the better man, doesn't make him a foreign policy expert or a national security expert. It just makes him a man who followed his family tradition of military service. I'm under the impression that there are a lot of families that have a tradition of military service. He had the misfortune to be shot down, and was held in a POW camp. Lots of other people had the same experience.
I doubt you've ever had the chance, but if you ever get to the Pentagon, go stand in the Hall of Heros (Congressional Medal of Honor winner). Read some of the citations.
In my experience, it's a funny thing, but the real heros don't even mention it.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Walking, talking cliche
Date:	10/9/2008 3:36:36 PM

So n ow McCain isn't a real hero because he mentions his experience in Vietnam.....how nice. I'll tell my brother the quad Vietnam vet that he should never talk about his experience because that would disqualify him as a hero.......you must be so proud of yourself. And let's see, you support a guy that was a failed community agitator......wow!

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Walking, talking cliche
Date:	10/9/2008 5:50:46 PM

I think you are taking to extremes. I'm not saying that your family member should never mention it, but it's likely that he's not trying to ride that pony into the White House. He, like a lot of others, paid a price for his service. I never said that one shouldn't talk about their experiences, if they chose to do so.
I had the absolute priviledge to work for the military for 30+ years. You can twist it any way you want to, but you won't find anyone prouder of our men and women in uniform than me. And if John McCain wants to say "I'm a veteran" that's fine -- but don't endless wrap him in the flag and act like he's something special because he's not.
I think he used that Petty Officer in the audience at the debate the other night and frankly, it made me sick.
And before someone makes some nasty comment at my having fed at the public trough, may I remind you that John McCain has fed at that very same trough for almost as long.

I hate it when you try to twist my words, because I know you understand what I say.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	This is what you said
Date:	10/11/2008 11:54:03 AM

"In my experience, it's a funny thing, but the real heros don't even mention it." Spin that however you want but words mean something to most of us and your implication here is clear. You act like McCain is only touting his experience in the military as his only qualification for being President. That too is a lie.

Our founding fathers said the most important qualification for President was a person's character. McCain's experience in the Senate and the military is directly pertinent to his character and he absolutely should "ride that pony" because for many of us it means more than platitudes like hope and change which are meaningless. He is not perfect but when I compare him to the Messiah Obama there is no doubt he is the better man for the job.

When you look at Obama and his associations (Wright, Ayers, Flager, Farakhan, Rezko, etc.) and past experience as a community agitator, how he got to the Illinois state Senate (getting everyone else thrown off the ballot), voting present over 100 times, his ongoing relationship with ACORN (a criminal organization dedicated to vote fraud that benefits Democrats who obviously believe they can't win without it), his 143 days in the Senate before running for President and you see that he is a deeply flawed person. But because of the ineptitude and corruption of Democrats in Congress he has been handed the economic tsunami that he may well ride into the White House. More's the pity, and unfortunately those he proclaims to want to help will be the very ones that will be devastated.

If he wins (which appears likely at this point) I trust you will hold him responsible for every bad thing that happens to this country like you do Bush. Somehow I doubt it because I know the reflexive hypocrisy of liberals.....it's all Bush's fault.....it's all Bush's fault.....he's a demon.....all symptoms of Bush Derangement Syndrome.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	This is what you said
Date:	10/12/2008 7:17:51 AM

Ah, but weren't our founding fathers "agitators" of their time???

Go ahead and believe what you want about John McCain. I've seen his kind before and I know that I don't want the man as our President. But I guess that is why we have a democracy -- so we can vote our beliefs and may the best man win.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	This is what you said
Date:	10/12/2008 8:27:52 AM

All you know about John McCain is he doesn't have your view of the world which in my view makes him by far the better man. And as for the better man winning, if only that were the criteria we would have never gotten Jimmy Carter or Bill Clinton, Russia wouldn't have Putin, North Korea wouldn't have Kim jong mentally il.....

It's funny, in this entire post you never once backed down from your insult of people in the military.....typical liberal that says they support the troops but not the mission....another living example of a contradiction.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	This is what you said
Date:	10/12/2008 3:54:21 PM

I'm not living a contridiction -- I don't support the war in Iraq. I think it is totally appropriate to support and respect the troops without supporting their mission -- afterall, they didn't chose their mission. They serve without personal comment.
And if you think I'm insulting the troops, so be it. There are a lot of uniformed people that know differently. I'll give you some of their names and phone numbers and you can call and whine to them about how you don't want your taxes raised. You might not get a lot of sympathy there though -- our most junior troops qualify for food stamps. And even the most senior general on active duty doesn't qualify in the top 1% of the income level of this country.

If you had ever served in the military yourself, I'd give you a pass; but you've never worn the uniform, you've never been deployed or had your assignment extended. You go home every night, safe and sound to your family. Don't delude yourself into thinking that all the people in the military support John McCain. The difference between you and them is that they aren't permitted to express their preference in public. Go to the military hospital in Bethesda and talk to some of the wounded soldiers there. Whine to them about your tax concerns. Tell them about how John McCain is their savior and see what they say.

You are totally clueless. You may know a bit about economics, but you no nothing about the military. If you want to take up for the military, set your business aside for a month or so and go visit Bethesda and Walter Reed; make a trip and go talk to some people in uniforms. Then come back and talk to me about the military. And maybe you'll stop posting this hogwash.

Name:	Swimmer27 -	Reply
Subject:	This is what you said
Date:	10/12/2008 7:36:39 PM

It's only hogwash to you and your ilk. You can't 'support the troops, but not the mission' because as you pointed out, they don't pick the mission. They just salute and follow orders. You act like you are the only person who knows millitary folks. I know and correspond with folks who have served in EVERY conflict since WWII.

You are sad and pathetic, just like your worthless husband, feb.

Name:	Swimmer27 -	Reply
Subject:	Walking, talking cliche
Date:	10/12/2008 7:56:28 PM

How many times were YOU shot at? You weren't. Why didn't YOU follow your family tradition and REALLY "serve" instead of trying to use your job at the DoD as a 'flag to wrap your self in'.

You tried to put me down because I didn't serve either, but NEITHER did YOU. And your little pissant husband whines cuz his 'disabillity check' is only $110.00/mo. I have a freind who recieves that SAME minimum disabillity check from a gunshot wound he got in Nam. I have never heard any whining from him that it wasn't enough and he is a blue collar factory worker. He is DANG proud that his government chose to give that little bit of lasting gratitude for a wound that caused him NO PERMENANT DAMAGE. The exact oppisite of you husbands attitude.

Those who chose not to JOIN (yes Elsie, everyone of them chose to join) deserve more than what they get. Why don't you chose one and send them money every month. Maybe feb's check. After all, as feb told us years ago, it is just a dinner out to ya'll every month, but I guarentee you there is a vet, or better yet and ACTIVE soldier whose family could use that $110.00 to pay the electric bill, or the phone bill, or groceries. After all, you pointed out that they qualify for food stamps.

And BTW- my freind had his check sent directly to the bank and into his kids college fund EVERY month. He didn't flitter it away on a 'dinner out'. He certainly never whines that it is NOT ENOUGH.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	I know a lot more than just
Date:	10/13/2008 10:07:06 AM

economics. What other topic do you want to discuss now that I have obliterated your views on economics? :-)

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