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copperline
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5/8/2004 11:33:27 PM
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As I sit here writing this, my ears are still ringing from the last boat race to come by my otherwise peaceful place on the lake. It seems that more and more off-shore racers with straight pipes and unmuffled exhausts are coming onto the lake each year. When these guys get up to full throttle, it rattles the fillings out of your teeth.
Question 1: Are there rules about how loud boats are allowed to be on this lake?
2. How is it enforced?
3 Is it lawful to shoot holes in their hulls so I can catch up with them and get a license number?
Seriously, If you are an owner of one of these rockets...PLEASE be aware when you are blasting into the sloughs and near shorelines..... Keep to the open water and well away from populated areas except when cruising at subsonic speeds.
Anybody know if there are laws that apply to this situation?
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lakebum
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5/9/2004 8:49:25 AM
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might want to address this with Gary of WP..
but...the laws as I remember is there is a decibel level...but has to measured by WP...and how are they going to do that when the offender is travelling at 70MPH+
And ..you would be hard pressed to drop a shot above the water line too...bigger fine for that..
You do have much sympathy...but think you will find the resolution of this somewheres other than in this PUBLIC forum
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| Name: |
lakebum
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ck golf driving below..
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5/9/2004 8:57:04 AM
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Frank N Stein
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5/9/2004 8:58:10 PM
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You are though, responsible for your wake.
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| Name: |
lakebum
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5/10/2004 9:46:59 AM
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what does this mean??
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SBsigmapi
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5/10/2004 1:44:42 PM
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I am an easy going individual. However, I am also a fun loving, adventurous individual. If I had a quarter mil. to drop on a power boat I would do it quickly. I am tired of people trying to rain on the parade of the fun loving crowd at Lake Martin. If you want to sleep stay at home in your neighborhood.
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| Name: |
BAJ
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5/10/2004 4:42:23 PM
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So what makes the rights of the "fun loving crowd" more important than those of the "peace and quiet loving crowd?" What makes YOU more important than THEM?
Remember, we're not talking about average, everyday, run of the mill noise. We're talking about noise pollution, about high-performance boats blasting through the lake equivalent of neighborhood streets, with no regard for the people who actually live there. (How much do you want to bet that these particular boaters DO NOT operate these boats in this way near their own place?)
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JIM
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5/10/2004 5:08:09 PM
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These people pay a lot of taxes to include fuel to own these type of boats, most of the folks that complain about these type vessels are mad because they can not afford one, but would love to own one. Lets face the facts, the lake is cluttered with every day boats.Nobody complains about the noise at a NASCAR or Drag races, people come to the lake to have fun ,as a former owner of one of these type boats, my problem was the jet skies wanting to race and over powered fishing boats trying to keep up with me in rough water. As far as noise ,most have a choice of loud or quite , just flip a switch .
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| Name: |
TIVO
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owners of those boats....
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5/10/2004 6:26:46 PM
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well....hold up your pinky... nuff said. LOL
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| Name: |
BAJ
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5/11/2004 2:51:56 AM
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You're right, people don't complain about noise at NASCAR races. Now remind me... when was the last time a NASCAR race was run in a suburban neighborhood?
Remember the original post; it complained about these boats being run wide-open in sloughs, near shorelines and in populated areas. Surely even you can see how that is different from these boats being run in open, unpopulated areas of the lake, just as a drag race being run in Talladega Superspeedway is not the same as a drag race being run down a residential street.
(Re-posted after being deleted, even though the original post DID NOT contain Jim's address, despite his claims.)
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| Name: |
SBsigmapi
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5/11/2004 12:20:30 PM
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I have no sympathy for those who live on the lake being subjected to the sound of powerboats. They made a choice to live on Lake Martin. Lake Martin is a large lake with lots of boaters. This would be like choosing to live in Panama City and then whining about teen-drinkers.
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PartTimer
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5/11/2004 1:04:17 PM
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There are boats on this lake that are WAY too large for this lake, and there are SOME people who drive whatever boat they have WAY too fast and recklessly. I am amazed at the number of folks who come down our slough--Moonbranch--and throw a huge wake at many piers and boats with seemingly no regard for the consequences. Why not do all that out on the larger bodies of water? Just too inconsiderate, or dumb, to know not to is all I can conclude.
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What a perfect example of the selfish, inconsiderate attitude that has become the Lake Martin norm.
I'll give you credit for one thing... knowing that Lake Martin is indeed a big lake. Big enough that the idiot boaters with their overpowered gulf boats should be able to find somewhere other than populated sloughs to speed around in.
But now, the deafening noise and dangerous wakes are the fault of the homeowners? These overpowered, unmuffled death machines should be able to do what they want, where they want, with no regard to the safety and comfort of others? Not in my world.
Thanks for being the perfect example of why Lake Martin USED to be heaven on Earth, but has become nothing more than the abused toy of selfish good-for-nothing losers like yourself. My only hope is that you johnny-come-lately newbies find a new playground in my lifetime, leaving this one for those of us who care about it, and who truly love it.
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JustAGuy
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5/11/2004 4:52:32 PM
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I've heard this argument before and I didn't say anything, but now that you've brought it up again, I think I'll jump in ...
You say ..."most of the folks that complain about these type vessels are mad because they can not afford one, but would love to own one." What are you basing this statement on? Where is your data? I know lots of people who can afford Fountain's etc. who don't want them. Some people like loud and fast ... some people like slow and quiet ... REGARDLESS of their economic status.
You state further ... "people come to the lake to have fun". Again, says who? Some people come to the lake to have fun, and some people come to the lake to get away from the noise and confusion of city living. Neither group has more of a right than the other.
Next you say ... "my problem was the jet skies wanting to race and over powered fishing boats trying to keep up with me in rough water" ... Why do you get to decide what is "fun" and what is a "problem" .. the PWC riders and powered fishing boats probably think it's "fun" to try and keep up with you in rough water.
And then at the very end, you say ..."As far as noise ,most have a choice of loud or quite , just flip a switch " - I think that was what the original poster was saying. When the loud boaters are in residential areas, flip the switch so that you don't bother other people.
I am a pretty much a "live and let live" kind of person ... I think there is plenty of open-water, undeveloped areas around the lake for all of the skiers, PWCers, Powerboaters, etc. .... I don't think anyone has to be as quiet as a mouse, but I do think that trying to be quiet in residential areas (and in the evenings) is just the polite thing to do.
I'll get off my soapbox now ... and please remember, it's just my little old opinion ....
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| Name: |
SBsigmapi
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Wow.
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5/11/2004 5:00:30 PM
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I, in fact, do not own a large powerboat. I have a mid-sized bowrider that typically never makes it into random sloughs throughout the lake. I am not blind, I do see the problem with wreckless boaters around the lake, but I see these in boats of every shape, size, and exhaust volume. My boat is quiet and I drive safely, but there are boats that ROAR that also operate safely and are out doing what I love seeing people do----HAVING FUN. While it's nice to see people out at the lake relaxing and reading a book. It is also nice to see people HAVING FUN--not merely enjoying themselves. There is a difference and many of the boring fail to see it.
Also, I have always noticed that the people that own the large offshore powerboats typically own lake property. This is THEIR lake just like it is yours, mine, and the rest of the PUBLIC. Quit belly-aching and enjoy it. (and no it is not hard to enjoy the lake with these boats present)
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| Name: |
lakebum
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Noise pollution ordinances
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5/11/2004 5:22:36 PM
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The folks in Moonbranch have been doing that for yars...they just dont get it and they ARE the NEW kids on the block...and they ARE KIDS...so maybe just tell the doctor to control his kids..
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| Name: |
BAJ
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Wow.
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5/11/2004 7:29:53 PM
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So if you think fishing is fun, but you can't do it because the waves created by the boat that just blew within six feet of you doing 60+MPH are making you think too much about survival and not enough about fishing... too bad, because the boat driver is just HAVING FUN, and his fun is more important than yours.
And if you enjoy bird-watching, but can't do it because the sound waves created by that same driver are scaring all of the wildlife within two miles... too bad, because that boater is just HAVING FUN, and his fun is more important than yours.
Or if you enjoy sitting on the dock and talking with old friends, but you can't do it because trying to yell over the roar created by that same driver has caused you to lose your voice... too bad, because that driver is just HAVING FUN, and his fun is more important than yours.
Or if you enjoy swimming, but can't do it because getting more than 10 feet in front of your dock puts you in the path of that same driver, who might or might not be looking where he is going... too bad, because he's just HAVING FUN, and his fun is more important than yours.
Or if your kids think skiing is fun, but they can't go because that same boater is zipping carelessly along, back and forth over the path you'd like to pull the skiers on (and that's not to mention the huge waves he's making)... too bad, because he's just HAVING FUN, and his fun is more important than that of your kids.
Or if you DON'T think making dock repairs is fun, but you have to, because the constant pounding has popped every board off your dock, too bad... that driver is just HAVING FUN, so you just have to do something not so fun, because what he wants is more importjant than what you want.
Or if you don't enjoy picking up the beer cans and other litter that have floated up to your shoreline, you do it with a great big smile on your face, because that litter came from people who were HAVING FUN, and that's what it's all about.
Or if you enjoy shooting the goats on Goat Island every fall, that's OK, because you're just HAVING FUN, and that's what you're saying-- as long as YOU are HAVING FUN, anything goes, regardless of how it affects other people.
Fun is great; fun at the expense of others is just plain rude. Back when people realized that, the world was a much better place. So was this lake.
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BAJ
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Amen, SLM
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5/11/2004 7:31:28 PM
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That's pure poetry. And, just like most poetry, it will be completely misunderstood or ignored by the ignorant.
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5/11/2004 10:29:43 PM
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I have lived on lakes since I was 14 years old , there have always been different boats and types of boaters . I remember waking up at 5 am to the screaming rice rocket sound of a $25,000 fishing boat used to chase a $3.00 fish . why , because thats what that person was into. so be it .
I Have a powerboat and I live up here on Lake Martin I too have seen all types of rude and totally unqualified drivers in all types of boats not yielding right of ways , not having a clue how to pull up to the dock , throwing wakes etc...
I assure you we have our complaints also , People keep referring to
main channels as streets , fine , dont let your kids play in the street . All people up here are doing what they enjoy . There are usually 2 days a week any boat besides a pontoon are on this lake surely 5 days of quiet time is a fair trade dont you think ..
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| Name: |
lakebum
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Great Post...
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5/12/2004 6:19:35 AM
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| Name: |
lakebum
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Nope..
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5/12/2004 6:21:30 AM
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shdnt have to be 'trades'....
All shd be able to get along 7 days a week ...IF...they are all a tiny bit considerate
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| Name: |
Lighthouse
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Wow.
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5/12/2004 7:59:59 AM
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This should be laminated to the back of every menu, in every eating place around Lake Martin. It says everything a true laker believes in.
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Lake 9
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Wow.
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5/12/2004 8:24:29 AM
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Well said!
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JIM
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Noise pollution ordinances
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5/12/2004 9:50:45 AM
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If the post did not contain the partial address it would not have been deleted. Bruce knows.
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| Name: |
SBsigmapi
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5/12/2004 10:15:31 AM
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Excellent Post!
I hear those same fishing boats and I agree with you about the 2 days a week ordeal. Ignorant people that are making posts on this site continually call powerboaters inconsiderate and selfish. However, these people live on the lake and are able to enjoy it 24/7/365 and yet whine, gripe, and complain when people with just as much right to the water as them, enjoy the lake in a different manner.
As I said in a previous post. I have a Caravelle Ski boat that is quiet. Yet I smile and wave when a Fountain roars by me--they smile and wave back. For some reason, I believe that the people making these ridiculous posts re: powerboats are those people that refuse to return a friendly wave from a boater that is enjoying THEIR lake.
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ChrisCraft
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Awsome.
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5/12/2004 11:25:06 AM
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But do you think they will listen to even the clearest of logic BAJ? We can only hope. It's doubtful they will, but at least the food is on the table for them to eat...
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Yessir!
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5/12/2004 11:57:32 AM
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Couldn't have said it better myself. The basic cause of all this inconsiderate behavior is a lack of civility. I'm not talking about just not paying attention, I'm talking about being annoying for anoyance sake. There is a difference between ignorance and arrogance. You can educate for ignorance. Arrogance is one for the shrinks.
I'm also sick of the notion that you can be annoying if you can afford one of these offshore noisemakers. If these guys think a cheap noisemaker boat shows anything they should go to the coast and see how people with real money go boating. It ain't in those things.......
RR
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PartTimer
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Nope..
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5/12/2004 1:33:57 PM
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Exactly! It is not really about days of the week, or size of boats, or anything else but simply being considerate of others. To follow the Golden Rule--do unto others as we would have them do unto us--would take care of this whole problem. We can ALL enjoy this wonderful lake more if we will just practice common courtesy.
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SBsigmapi
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Noise pollution ordinances
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5/12/2004 2:39:07 PM
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Good post. I too have voiced an OPINION in this thread. I think if the original post had been more understanding and friendly then arguements would have been far less. There was no need to mention shooting holes in the hulls of boaters who are just out to have a good time.
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The key is RESPECT YOUR NEIGHBORS! I love to have fun. I do so often and can afford the equipment to do so, but I always try** to be respectful. "Flip the switch" near homes or during the typically quiet hours. Idle through slews and near docks. Keep a safe distance from others. Use that "not so common", common sense.
**Footnote: For those who think that the lake should be ALL peace and quiet, get over it. We must all accommodate.
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JIM
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Wow.
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5/12/2004 6:33:37 PM
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Smoke and mirrors. What a crock of it.
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lakebum
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Still got a diferent..
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5/13/2004 5:09:00 AM
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point of view..
I'll keep an eye out for a Caravellle with GA reg (maybe) and make sure I wave..
it was a new Caravelle that ran over one of the hazard markers in the Bama Park area last year as the driver was gawking at something on shore..
maybe that was you...
Think you need some EPK counseling
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| Name: |
copperline
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5/13/2004 7:07:38 AM
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Thanks to everybody that commented on my topic.
OK, for the record..... Nobody has to worry that I was seriously considering shooting at anybody. I was trying to make a point about the difficulty of reporting when you can't identify the license number of a boat at high speed. And was I whinning? Yeah, maybe. I look forward to getting away from work and sinking into the relaxing quiet of the Lake whenever I can get away. It's good for my head, and it's been a good way to live for over 45 years. But I realize that being raised here doesn't entitle me to anything, it just plays into my thinking because I have a sense of history about what's going on. Playing hard is also good for my head, but I have to be reasonable about the effects my play might have on other folks. Do I regret those days that the Lake feels like Panama City at Spring Break? Yes, that's why I don't go there. Am I raining on somebody else's parade? Don't intend to, but we all live / play here together .... so we'd better work these things out among ourselves. This forum should help, I think. The Lake is seriously threatened in a variety of ways by the population explosion,..... in 20 or 30 more years.... I hate to think about it. I only want to slow down the process of losing it. Almost everybody who spends enough time here will eventually have their regrets about the "progress" they observe.
Am I secretly jealous because I can't afford a quarter million dollar off shore racing boat? Are the rest of us really just sitting on our piers bitterly longing for a 30 foot boat with 2 engines and no muffler? Well, actually... not me. But thanks for the laugh.
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5/13/2004 8:03:15 AM
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I think I know the boats you speak of , if it is the same ones they blow more than a 1000 dollars a weekend on fuel looking for anything to race up and down the lake . dont let their boredom ruin your attitude on the rest of us with the same boats .
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EPK
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Counselling?
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5/13/2004 8:21:13 AM
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Thanks for the comp. I always thought of it, though, as common sense. As I've stated in the past, however, common sense is not too common.
Going through all these posts regarding the noise ords and inconsiderate boat owners makes ya' wonder what the lake has come to, and, will continue to develop into. Yes, I remember having a fairly fast boat and opening-up the throttle, but, only when a few "life" guidelines I have learned were followed:
- are my actions going to be legal, moral, ethical, and safe? Well, doing 50-60 is great fun, its in open water, its away from residential areas, and I have the kill-cord attached. Yep, time for fun.
- do I need it or want it? Heck, thats easy. I wanted to go fast yet no need to go fast (unless in an emergency situation).
- worry about number-1 (myself) but be considerate of others. I had myself ready and others in the boat were ready. I wasn't worried about people on shore but I was always considerate of their presence and property. Of course, worrying about myself has changed recently, i.e., I worry about my family as much as myself.
- local noise ords followed? As far as I know, 7-am to 10-pm during the week, 7-am to 11-pm (some places are 1-am) on the weekends.
- and the final guideline, Golden Rule? Well, I would have no problem with these boat owners if they wanted to have fun and follow somewhat similar guidelines.
So, being able to go fast, not disrupt others (even though the noise could be heard across the lake), not disturb property (too much since away from shore), safety precautions, and everyone in the boat knew what to do in a "what-if" situation. Let'er rip!
If anyone thinks the above is a crock, try this. Apply them to yourself when you are in the same situation. Even try a hypothetical situation. If they can't be applied, let me know so that I can learn from your experience.
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SBsigmapi
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Counselling?
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5/13/2004 8:37:33 AM
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I agree with you completely. Surprising since "i need counseling". I never stated that people should not be respectful--just that that respect goes both ways. These powerboats are typically ripping through open waters. Yes they have huge motors with loud exhaust, but if they have it opened up and are really gassing on it, they will be gone in a matter of moments anyway.
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| Name: |
SBsigmapi
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Noise pollution ordinances
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5/13/2004 8:46:56 AM
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Great post. I apologize if I have offended you in any way. I too would like to see both sides meet in the middle which is actually where I am. I dont have an offshore powerboat and dont drive wrecklessly. But I do think that the powerboats have rights as well. They are also nice to look at--even when they arent nice to listen to. I do think that the wrecklessness has to stop, but I see a bigger problem with PWC and bass boats than the big offshores.
I enjoy this beautiful lake as well and I do see the changes that are coming with the population boom. Sometimes, however, those who are seriously resisting change aim their guns at the wrong people. It will all be ok though. Lets just all make an effort to understand the other half. Smile and wave at ALL other boaters--not just the ones like ourselves. Its still one of the greatest places in the world to be on a hot summer weekend. Lets work together to keep it that way.
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Council Roc Doc
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5/13/2004 12:00:44 PM
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Well said!!
When I am somewhat restless and find sleeping difficult, I simply try to remember what the lake sounds like in the dead of the evening, with the cicadas chirping, or in the early spring morning with the sounds of birds warbling, or squirrels rummaging outside my window. Always works. The demise of Lake Sydney Lanier was when the lake quit being a lake SHARED and became a lake USED. We can only hope that does not become the future of beautiful LM.
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JustAGuy
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5/13/2004 12:08:01 PM
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Great post copperline
You sound like a very reasonable guy who just got "riled up" a little. Lord knows I've been guilty of that. Have fun (or quiet) on the lake and you can bet that I might be one of those people waving at you from a pontoon boat some day. I wave at everybody ... and ESPECIALLY at the people who don't wave back
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lakebum
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Loud...
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5/14/2004 6:07:19 AM
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well there are some I can hear coming from Chimney Rock and then see them and then hear them to Blue Creek Marina ..
Actually they sound somewhat like low flying aircraft...not boats..
AND...I do realize...they are only having fun
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Lakeman
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Fair Trades
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5/14/2004 6:08:53 PM
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All of you week-enders list your place of residence on the board and then monday and tuesday us full time lake dwellers can drag race, set in front of your house and roar our loud engines, maybe bump your poarches to assimilate waves pounding our piers and floating docks, run into your garage door. And just when you think it's over we can make another pass. Oh but then you would call the police wouldn't you. Wow! Afair trade? We would have 3 days of peace and so would you.
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stratman
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Wow.
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5/16/2004 3:18:15 PM
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Well put and I think that is the exact mentality of the people that come to this lake.
Forget about the people that live here....It's THEIR world...adjust to THEM.
Living in the Chuck's Marina slough....The same goes for Karaoke!!
As long the drunks are having fun...screaming and hollering from 8:00 pm til after 11:00pm every weekend, from April til October....on holidays, during the days with bands, etc.....Who Cares.....THEY ARE HAVING FUN!!
But at WHO'S EXPENSE? I'll tell you.....OUR EXPENSE!!
We all love to have parties, all of us....but our good nature has been taken for granted and abused.
If you want to party....go to a night club or YOUR HOUSE OR NEIBORHOOD for Karaoke!! AND GIVE OUR QUALITY OF LIFE BACK TO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD!!
Feel free to e-mail if you would like to discuss it and find out what's REALLY GOING ON HERE!!
Stratman........
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stratman
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5/16/2004 3:33:44 PM
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But what about we people that live here on the lake and we work all week? Most of us DO work for a living!!
Our only 2 days to enjoy the lake is on the weekend....So what you are saying is....SCREW US......THE WEEKEND LAKE IS YOURS FOR THE TAKING?
You people out there with the ME-ME-ME-ME attitude would be the first ones to complain should the roles be reversed!
We all should be considerate of EACH OTHER, not just for ourselves.
We moved on this lake in 1991 and consider it a privilege to live and to be here.
I JUST WISH OTHERS WOULD ADOPT THE SAME ATTITUDE!
Stratman......
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SBsigmapi
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5/17/2004 10:03:44 AM
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What about your "me me me" attitude. "I" want peace--"I" want quiet---"I" want to be really boring and ruin the good times of hundreds for the peacefulness of one. It sounds to me like you are the one that needs to appreciate the views of others. It is not that loud at Chuck's. One could easily sleep through it, watch tv over it, or sit out on the pier and enjoy it (this is the one I recommend). Besides, it ends at 11:00. That isn't that late. You could go to sleep as soon as it was over, sleep for the recommended 8 hours, and still be up at 7:00--not that their is any reason to be up at 7 on the weekend. I guess the basic point I want to get across in this reply to your ranting post is this---GET OVER IT!
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.......or change your alias to "Analman"
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stratman
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5/17/2004 6:40:16 PM
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Let me guess....Both of you are 2 wet behind the ears, snot nosed college punks....right? :D
My youngest just graduated Auburn.
I've been playing rock and roll since 1974..can listen to music louder than you ever will, and out party your young dumb A$$ anytime I please.
Come sit at my house on my back porch, in my living room, or any where else on my property, and then tell me you can't hear it....beating on my windows like those RAP MOBILES that drive by your house in the city.
THIS IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PUNK BOY......NOT YOUR PLAYGROUND!! GO PLAY IN YOUR OWN BACK YARD AND "YOU" GET OVER IT!!
WE PAY TO LIVE HERE......YOU DON'T!
WE DESERVE OUR QUALITY OF LIFE....WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!
We love to party here on Chuck's slough....but Chuck's Marina has taken over our neighborhood and we now have no choice in the matter until the verdict comes back on the court case.
If you knew half of what you think you know.....you'd have manners......I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and give you a few years to aquire some.
UNTIL THEN....GET OVER YOURSELF......THIS WORLD IS NOT ABOUT YOUR RIGHT TO PARTY......IT'S ABOUT ALL OF OUR RIGHTS TO AN EQUAL QUALITY OF LIFE!
YOU HAVE AN INVITATION TO COME TO MY HOUSE WHILE I'M HERE, AND CHECK OUT THE MARINA NOISE IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE ME.
SEEING AND HEARING IS BELIEVING! THERE IS ALWAYS 2 SIDES TO EVERY STORY.....COME AND GET THE OTHER SIDE....UNLESS YOU ARE TOO CLOSED MINDED...
Stratman.....:D
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JIM
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5/17/2004 6:55:51 PM
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I thoughwe were talking about nice wonderful boats.
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5/17/2004 9:30:37 PM
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Music puts a strain on your quality of life? I have slept in one of the cabins that Chucks rents out. Yes those are on YOUR slough. And yes it was during Karaoke and I even had a head ache (this is why I wasnt partaking in the festivities). I never said that the music couldnt be heard. I simply stated that if you werent an A$$ about it--it is easy to ignore. Close minded? I think it takes a close minded group of people to file a frivolous lawsuit that affects far more people negatively than it does positively. I garauntee that more people have a good time at that marina on Friday and Saturday nights than there are people who have their "quality of life ruined". Your life has been reduced to focusing on a lawsuit that is intended to stop the fun of hundreds, eliminate the summer jobs of several, and ruin the business of one (Greg). I dont see a life that is rich with "quality". I see a life of a bitter individual who has lost touch of their youth. And remember this---I see men and women out at Chuck's every weekend that are old enough to be YOUR parents. I see their quality of life as being far more important than yours.
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First of all, take a pill. Then, don't jump to conclusions. Since you are into the "I've got this, I've got that" crap, let me just say your attitude confirms the point that was made.
By the way, my nose is fine (no snot at all) . I'm pushing 50. I have a successful business, a few collage degrees, 2 very nice houses, several boats, cars, and other toys, and successful kids. My ears are wet (behind them), but that’s from wakeboarding all day. I pay a bunch to live here. I was listening to rock and roll in the 60's, 70's, 80, 90's, and last week (along with a little country). And, I learned a long time ago to work hard, play hard, and age is a state of mind. Oh, and to have tolerance.
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but I guess some folks just feel like they have to "bust some balls"
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stratman
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5/18/2004 7:24:21 AM
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Lost my youth........YOU ARE LAUGHABLE! :D
Frivolous Lawsuit......NOT HARDLY...THEY EARNED IT!!
Chuck's Marina was started back in the 1960's.....without Karaoke. That was introduced about 4 years ago. All of the owners made a living without karaoke way before Greg even knew the marina existed.
You're worried about Greg making a living? You obviously don't know Greg! haha! He doesn't even have to work....didn't you know that?
A few summer jobs being lost? Give me a break! You got a couple of people that make pizza, maybe a couple at the store, and maybe a couple at the tiki bar. There's plenty of jobs out there.....if they want to work!
What....do you guys think I've never been to Chuck's Marina?
We are very social here on this slough and we love to entertain on our decks!
Unless we want to hear what YOU call music..hahahahha...we no longer can. 200 drunks singing REDNECK MOTHER....BOBBY MCGEE....or even far worse til 11:00pm+ every night...is not what I would even remotely term as music.
What you are assuming is.....That YOU and 200 more drunks.....have FAR more of a right to PARTY VERY LOUDLY...during six months of the prime time of the year....IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.....THAN WE HAVE A RIGHT TO A QUALITY OF LIFE THAT WAS HERE.....BEFORE GREG EVEN BOUGHT THE PLACE!
THAT IS MORONIC AT BEST......IS NOT GOING TO HAPPEN AND WILL NOT CONTINUE FOREVER.....GET USED TO THAT!! :D
YOU'LL HAVE TO FIND A NEW PLAYGROUND TO GET DRUNK AT AND ATTEMPT TO LEARN TO SING SOMEWHERE ELSE!
YOU GUYS AREN'T THE ONLY ONES WITH RIGHTS.....WE PAY A LOT OF MONEY TO LIVE HERE AND YOUR RIGHT TO PARTY DOES NOT OVER RIDE OUR RIGHT TO QUALITY LIVING IN OUR OWN NEIGHBORHOOD!!
IT DOESN'T END HERE....EVEN AFTER THE VERDICT.
SOON.....THERE WILL BE A NOISE ORDINANCE THAT WILL TAKE CARE OF THIS REDNECK NONSENSE ANYWAY...AND ALL OF THIS WILL BE MUTE.
ENJOY IT WHILE YOU STILL CAN.....IT WON'T LAST FOREVER!! hahaha!!
Stratman......
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5/18/2004 9:26:05 AM
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Stratman, you are just a jerk. You have a man that is near 50 years old (jlazc) that also thinks you are an idiot. I would tell you to grow up, but that seems to be your problem. Somewhere down the line, you forgot that there was a fun world out there. You call the Chuck's crowd a buncha drunks---then you say that you are social and like to entertain and have parties on your decks. What do you do at these parties? Sip ice tea?
Most things I have read only allow for weekend noise ordinances to be enforced at 11 pm. Maybe YOU should get used to it. Perhaps after your whining, belly-aching, arrogant post, you should also get used to hearing a few more loud boats passing by as I am sure that all of us "drunk rednecks" will enjoy giving you an earfull.
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As one who has judged many a debate, Stratman, you have clearly won this one with Sigmapi. Most communities as you probably know have pretty strict zoning ordinances to protect all of those impacted by certain businesses and activities. In the absence of any zoning restrictions in this case I revert back to my previous post on this thread.....It would seem that Chuck's would rather USE the lake and slough than SHARE it with civility and class. Just my humble opinion......
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stratman
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5/18/2004 11:11:34 AM
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SBsigmapi.....
What....you think you guys haven't been doing that already?
We've had boaters 2 years ago hollering "WAKE UP MF'S...WAKE UP MF'S" at midnight. That is the way you guys show your respect and your lack of class in the first place.
And keep in mind....if you get caught....I WON'T cut you any slack!! haha
That's why we've had enough it!!
Why do you have a problem understanding that this is a neighborhood where we live at...and can not escape your loud partying?
THE PARTY IS OUTSIDE.....TRAVELING OVER WATER....FOR 6 MONTHS OF THE YEAR....EVERY WEEKEND!!
COULD YOU GET AWAY WITH THAT IN YOUR BACKYARD WITH YOUR NEIGHBORS...IF YOU HAD A HOUSE?
WE MAY...HAVE A BIG PARTY TWICE A YEAR.....THE REST OF THE TIMES IT IS LUNCH...OR DINNER..WITH DRINKS...AND WE'RE NOT TRYING TO SING FOR THE NEIGHBORHOOD ON A LOUD PA SYSTEM. THAT IS THE DIFFERENCE THERE!!
Sure...there are people older and youger people at the marina....So what does that prove?
When it was once a month....even we went over there and had fun. Then...they decided they were going to turn it into a 6 month, outdoor, Honkeytonk and do as they please with complete disregard for anyone else.
We like to party....but 6 months of the year is taking advantage of our good nature!
THIS IS A NEIGHBORHOOD FIRST.......THE MARINA WAS ALLOWED TO BE BUILT HERE WITH OUR NEIGHBORHOOD PERMISSION TO BEGIN WITH.
NOW...ALL OF A SUDDEN....YOU ARE GOING TO SAY YOU GUYS HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO AS YOU PLEASE...IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD....AND THAT WE NO LONGER HAVE ANY SAY SO?
THAT......IS ARROGANT...AND SO ARE YOU AND THOSE THAT THINK LIKE YOU!!
THANK GOD....YOU HAVE NO SAY SO IN THE MATTER ANYWAY AND IT IS OUT OF YOUR HANDS......AS IT SHOULD BE!!
I'M SORRY YOU HAVE A PREOCCUPATION WITH BECOMING A REDNECK.....IF YOU'RE NOT ALREADY!!
GOOD LUCK.......YOU'LL NEED IT!!
Stratman......
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stratman
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5/18/2004 11:26:18 AM
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Thanks Council Roc Doc!!
Your sentiments are much appreciated!!
Stratman.....
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RagPicker
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Noise pollution ordinances
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5/18/2004 11:32:00 AM
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There is no law against these overpowered boats. But there comes a point where their right to race from fuel dock to fuel dock at 75mph while emitting a noise that would make a NASCAR pit crew wince ends and my right not to enjoy the sophmoric spectacle begins. I reckon some slick salesman must have suggested to these fellows that the girls really go for it. And I bet the 14 & 15 year olds really do too. Otherwise why go to the trouble and expense?
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before you bust a vein. Anger management would be a good place to start; you obviously have a problem.
Think about it. You spiraled out of control on this subject with name calling and blind accusations. Your deductive reasoning and logic arguments are on the level of a junior high student. Emotions have clouded your judgment. This is not healthy.
It’s a public lake. We must all give a little to take a little. If you want others to respect you, you must show a little respect yourself. You don't; even though I think you have yourself convinced otherwise. I'm talking about respect for those you do not agree with.
You do make some points worth consideration; however, I doubt others will give them much credit----- because of the presentation and the agenda. When I was a homeowner’s association president, there was always a small minority that acted like you are currently acting. I never gave their arguments much thought, because after a while, it all became "noise pollution".
Now, forget about all of this and get help. Learn to live again. Smile and wave at a fast boat. Go have some pizza at Chucks.
If you can't find happiness where you are, move.
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Ulysses E. McGill
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And where were you judging?
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5/18/2004 11:43:50 AM
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You have obviously missed several infractions on debating standards, rules, and common practice. Don't tell me you are an educator........
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The infractions have been clear on both sides. But to say stratman is a winner is just agreeing with him. An emotional outburst is not a debate.
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I framed my comments in the context of Parliamentary debate, where I feel that your side has far too many dropped points relating to one's entitlement to quality of life. Regardless of how you describe a homeowners idea of relaxation, (boring etc), you have failed to provide evidence for your argument that what's good for a perceived few should be good for all. Although I could not necessarily penalize you for this, I could award more points to Stratman....
Am I an educator? Professional educator - no, but I do volunteer my services at Grady Memorial Hospital to teach surgical residents..
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5/18/2004 12:11:00 PM
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Thank you for your support. I feel that my arguements have been every bit as valid and far more civil. I also know that I am happy. I am not stressed out over a FRIVOLOUS law suit. Once again---thanks for the post and may you have many more fun times at Lake Martin and specifically Chuck's Marina.
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SBsigmapi
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5/18/2004 12:19:15 PM
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this would be great logic if----we were referring to a "few" marina goers. However, there are more people at Chuck's (which is on a public lake) on any given Fri. or Sat. night than there are residents on the entire slough. The current regulation requires that the festivities be shut down at 11, which is what time the party ends. They used to run over a bit and let people carry their fun further into the night. However, with the complaint being issued, they have made it a point to cut out at 11. Continually references have been made to "what if it was your neighborhood." Well this happened in my neighborhood in montgomery--the club shut down. However, the club was not forced to shut down, they were simply told that it had to end by 11. They chose to shut down instead. I applaud Greg for not making this choice. He provides more smile every weekend than anger driven, name-calling posts.
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Don't get me wrong, I don't have a dog in this fight, but I think that logically speaking, purely comparing numbers doesn't wash here. Even though you say that customers at a particular establishment outnumber residents in the slough area (which may or may not be the case, I don't know) it would seem to me that less people who have more to lose (e.g. stagnant property values) have just as valid an argument as compared to more patrons on a particular weekend that leave after 3 hours to their residences with very little to lose. Make sense?
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5/18/2004 2:34:42 PM
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Yes, this does make some sense. I do, however, feel that 11 is fair. Greg could entertain that crowd til 1 or 2 easily. Stopping at 11 is done for the benefit of the residents and I feel that this is a substantially fair compromise. SOME residents, on the other hand, dont want to compromise. They want to wipe it out entirely. That just isnt fair to those who enjoy the festivities of Chuck's Marina.
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How does this subjectively fair compromise translate into objective real gain for the residents? It seems that even though the hours have been scaled back, only one entity is still profiting. Has this owner shown any goodwill to the resident community by investing profit into the community at large by improving common infrastructure, etc? Maybe he has, but it would seem that if not, it would sure ease tensions a bit if the community trusted that property values would be supported by private improvement.
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5/18/2004 4:08:06 PM
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I dont see any gains for the residents. But , from my perspective, I dont see any objective losses either. It just comes down to one groups entertainment vs. another. Both groups have rights. Anything you do will make one side angry. Chuck's has already compromised to an extent. The few property owners who are upset refuse to do so. I think that it makes what they are doing seem very malicious.
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BAJ
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5/18/2004 4:33:43 PM
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My only complaint about karaoke night is that some of those people should not be allowed to sing in public, much less have their screechy off-key warblings amplified. (It IS entertaining, though, in a look-at-the-train-wreck sort of way!) I might be more opposed to it if I had to listen to it more than the one or two nights per summer that my ears can stand. And I'd fight it to the end if I also had to put up with people shouting "WAKE UP M*****F******" at me all night long. Sure not every patron does that, but when one does, it's going to color them all, just as a few home-owners are affecting how you look at all of them.
P.S., because some smart-aleck will bring it up: No, I can't sing a note. Therefore, I don't make other people listen to me try.
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5/18/2004 5:00:44 PM
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you make good points about how each side gets stereotyped.
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5/18/2004 5:14:45 PM
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snoot, been thinking about getting one , checking into it ? to each his own for their OWN PERSONAL choice of what type of boat they like . some of us do not want to take a week to get to chucks marina and I have a house so why have one with a bedroom , but hey thats me . but lets dont forget the people like me that take these boats around the southeast to do charity poker runs that benefit things like , Firefighters in Jacksonville , fl , sheriffs boys and girls ranches of okaloosa island and , oh my goodness there is even one held here on lake martin , and if you refer to the cover of the Beacon this month thats my dad with his overpowered loud ,expensive , too fast powerboat . leaving childrens harbor with load of kids and their parents . I was their with my boat and so were 5 of our other friends with their boats loud and fast , with each load a trip around the rock and back . I look forward to that opportunity again.
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stratman
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5/18/2004 7:06:37 PM
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Hi Baj...
Thank you for your post!!
For the record Sigmapi.....
We went to mediation and Greg backed out of it!!
WE DID COMPROMISE!!
WE ALL AGREED TO MEMORIAL DAY TO LABOR DAY....EVERY OTHER WEEKEND....AND WHEN A MONTH HAS 5 WEEKENDS...WE CONCEDED TO LET HIM DO KARAOKE ON THAT WEEKEND AS WELL!
HE BACKED OUT OF THE DEAL 3-4 MONTHS LATER AFTER THE ALL DAY MEDIATION!!
AND YOU THINK WE DIDN'T TRY TO COMPROMISE?
YOU ARE AN IDIOT!!
CALLING THE LAKE A PUBLIC LAKE...WHICH IT IS....DOESN'T MEAN THAT OUR NEIGHBORHOOD CAN BECOME YOUR PARTY PLACE!!
THERE IS NOTHING YOU CAN DO ABOUT IT ......WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT!!
ALL YOU CAN DO IS SHOW YOUR LACK OF CLASS ON THIS WEBSITE AND AT THE MARINA!
IT'S YOUR DESTINY.....YOU'VE SHOWN IT TO US ALL!!
THE COURT CASE IS OVER....AND WE'RE JUST WAITING ON THE VERDICT.
BEFORE LONG....OUR EFFORTS TO HAVE A CITY LIKE NOISE ORDINANCE WILL BE PASSED AND THIS KIND OF NONSENSE WILL NO LONGER BE A PROBLEM ON THIS LAKE....ANYWHERE.
ONLY AT CHUCK'S ......IS THIS KIND OF "BOAT HOUSE LOUNGE" REDNECK GOING ONS HAPPENING.
AND WE ALL KNOW WHAT HAPPENDED EVENTUALLY TO THE BOAT HOUSE LOUNGE....DON'T WE?
YOU WILL NOT BE A PROBLEM FOR VERY MUCH LONGER!! HAHAHAHA!!
HAVE A NICE DAY!! :D
Stratman......
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boatman
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5/18/2004 8:08:15 PM
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Well, I've sat back and listened (read) to all that has been said without commenting until now. Emotions have flared and there has been much to do about this side or that side. However, it seems the point may have been lost altogether. Everyone of us has rights and entertainment is certainly no exception. The problem is that the rights of both parties are not being accommodated. The long and short of it is, there are those who enjoy partying and there are those who enjoy peace and quiet. Both should be allowed to have "some" of what they desire. The mediation agreement supposedly agreed to by both parties and then rejected by Greg does seem to be the most fair solution to the situation. Even successful marriages have to meet halfway, so why is a business Owner and the surrounding neighborhood any different. It's time for responsible adults to act like adults and meet in the middle. Anything else than that is one sided and selfish.
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5/18/2004 9:47:26 PM
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HI Boatman!!
FOR 3 & 1/2...ALMOST 4 YEARS, WE HAVE TRIED TO BE FAIR. IT DIDN'T WORK!!
NOW.....WE NO LONGER HAVE TO. WE ARE GOING TO DO WHAT EVER IT TAKES TO TAKE CARE OF THIS PROBLEM.
KEEP IN MIND.....THIS IS OUR NEIGHBORHOOD 1ST....AND A MARINA JUST HAPPENS TO BE IN THE MIDDLE OF IT.
WE DO NO HAVE TO PUT UP WITH THIS NUISANCE AND WE WILL NOT PUT UP WITH THIS NUISANCE!!
TALK TO GREG ABOUT BEING FAIR....IF HE ACTUALLY KNOWS THE MEANING OF THE WORD!!
THE TIME FOR BEING FAIR IS OVER!!
WE'LL SEE WHAT THE JUDGE DECIDES AND GO FROM THERE...DEPENDING ON HOW FAIR HIS DECISION IS.
I'LL WAIT FOR THAT.....AND THEN SEE.
Stratman.......
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boatman
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5/18/2004 9:54:48 PM
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I beg your pardon?? The time for being fair is never over and let's hope the judge sees things the same way. If the judges decision were to swing unfairly against Greg, then a continued fight would probably take place through an appeal. I think the best "you" should hope for is that it truly turns out fair?? Isn't that what is usually best for all parties once the past is buried?
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5/18/2004 10:05:15 PM
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he doesnt want fair. he wants to be malicious. Someone hollered mf at him, and he now feels scorned. If yall want to be like this then be my guest. I just hope the judge is a better person. And as for you stratman---if you will look back at the post, it is you that started the classless name calling. You called myself and another individual snot nosed punks and then went on to call us a$$es. This is uncalled for and classless---much like your lawsuit.
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stratman
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5/18/2004 10:21:07 PM
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I CALL YOU WHAT YOU ARE...IF YOU ARE EXPECTING AN APOLOGY...HOLD YOUR BREATH....BOATERS CALLING US MF'S IS JUST ONE OF MANY THINGS THAT HAVE HAPPENED. THAT WAS JUST ONE EXAMPLE OF WHAT HAS BEEN GOING ON HERE.
AS FAR AS AN APPEAL GOES....WE FULLY EXPECT ONE.....THE CASE WILL GO FORWARD AND WE WILL WIN.
IN THE MEAN TIME.....OTHER AVENUES WILL STILL BE PERSUED AS THEY ARE IN ACTION NOW.
HE SHOULD HAVE STUCK TO THE MEDIATION AGREEMENT. THAT WOULD'VE BEEN HIS BEST BET!!
Have a great evening Redneck Mothers!! :D
Stratman.....
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5/18/2004 10:28:49 PM
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I hope all of you other Stratman supporters read this post before continuing to support his words. I have not and will not stoop to this level. strat you are a disgrace. I do not wish to reply to any further posts in this thread. If someone else wants to take up my stance, be my guest. I am out.
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stratman
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5/18/2004 10:31:37 PM
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WHAT EVER.......
Stratman.......
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Ulysses E. McGill
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He is correct Stratman
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5/18/2004 10:42:52 PM
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You are doing a great job at making yourself look "less than educated" (to be P.C.). You don't win debates by calling people names like "idiot" or "redneck". If I were you, I would not look in any mirrors to find out what class looks like either.
There have been many good posts on this subject. Some of them lean towards your bias, some don't. A well thought argument is a healthy argument, but you are too emotional to be dealing with this in a competent manner.
Slow down and think before you write. Be positive. Be considerate.......If you don't change your ways, the less respectful folks on the other side will be making special trips to go "aggravate the crazy dude" that lives near Chucks. This will only make things worse for you. As I've stated before, learn to respect others and they will respect you.
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He is correct Stratman
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5/18/2004 11:03:39 PM
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LIKE I SAID....DON'T GET CAUGHT!!
YOU GUYS ARE WHAT YOU ARE. YOU CAN'T HELP IT.
YOU THINK THAT I GIVE A RAT'S --- WHAT YOU DRUNKS THINK?
CONSIDERING THE SOURCE....IS DOESN'T MATTER.
YOU GUYS HAVE NO RESPECT FOR US....BUT YET YOU EXPECT IT FROM US....
NOW.....THAT IS HILARIOUS!!
YOU GUYS ARE THE WHACKOS......GO TO REHAB....IT'LL DO YA' GOOD!!
Stratman......
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You can't debate the ignorant. I thought you were going to loose it there for a bit, but I'm proud of your restraint. If you're ever in the little kowaliga creek area, stop by and I'll buy you a beer.
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So much for thinkin'
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5/19/2004 7:03:15 AM
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AND YOU'RE COMEDIANS TO BOOT!!
hahahahaha!!!!! :D :D
Stratman.......
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Lakeman
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So much for thinkin'
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5/19/2004 8:14:44 AM
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Didn't this post originally start out in complaint of loud boat noises? How did it turn into a " let's bash Greg " thread? Seems to me " stratman " must have been barred from Chucks for acting like a " red neck ".
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So much for thinkin'
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5/19/2004 9:34:46 AM
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Bash Greg???? NOW THAT IS FUNNY!! hahahhahaha!! :D
We residents have been bashed since the start of FULLTIME KARAOKE!!
AS FAR AS BEING BARRED.......HAHAHAHAHA.....THAT IS ALSO HILARIOUS....
I WOULDN'T GO THERE IF YOU PAYED ME!! AND HAVEN'T SINCE THE BEGINNING OF THIS NEIGHBORHOOD BASHING!!
DO YOU LIVE ON THIS SLOUGH, OR ON THE LAKE AT ALL?
IF NOT.....YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE.
YOU GET TO GO TO YOUR LAKE HOME WHICH IS LIKE THE LAKE USED TO BE....WHICH IS ALL WE'RE ASKING FOR.
YOU DON'T HAVE TO PUT UP WITH IT.....WE DO. THERE IS A BIG DIFFERENCE!
IF YOU WANT TO SEE REDNECKS.....GIVE ME A HOLLER AND COME OVER TO MY BACK DECK ONE FRIDAY OR SATURDAY NIGHT....AND I'LL SHOW YOU AROUND 200 OF THEM!! ALL WITH COMPLETE DISREGARD FOR THE RESIDENTS WHO LIVE HERE.
YOU CAN THEN LOOK ME IN THE EYE AND TELL ME YOU CAN'T HEAR IT OR THAT IT'S NOT A NUISANCE. WHICH, IF YOU DID, YOU WOULD BE LYING STRAIGHT OUT.
WE HEAR IT, IN OUR HOUSES, WITH NEW DOUBLE PANED WINDOWS AND DOORS, OVER THE TV, AND REMINDS ME OF THE RAP CARS THAT RIDE BY YOUR HOUSE IN THE CITY THAT MAKE YOUR WINDOWS RATTLE.
YOUR ATTEMPTS TO PAINT US AS OLD COMPLAINERS THAT SIT AROUND AND WANT TO HEAR NOTHING BUT BIRDS AND CRICKETS CHIRPING DOESN'T FLY HERE TO THE GOOD CITIZENS OF LAKE MARTIN THAT ARE ALL TOO AWARE OF WHAT'S GOING HERE!
SURE IT'S FUN TO GO TO AN OUTSIDE BAR WHERE THE TEMPERATURE AND SETTING IS NICE.....BUT AT WHO'S EXPENSE? THAT IS THE QUESTION?
IF CHUCK'S WAS IN AN AREA WHERE NO HOUSES WERE, AND THERE ARE MANY AREAS ON THE LAKE WHERE THAT WOULD BE POSSIBLE, THERE WOULD BE NO PROBLEM WITH ANY OF US.
THE MARINA WOULD BE ISOLATED, THEREFOR, WOULD DISTURB NO ONE, END OF STORY.....RIGHT?
BUT....THE MARINA IS SITUATED RIGHT IN THE MIDDLE OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD, AND THE SOUND CARRIES OVER THE WATER AND AMPLIFIES IT TREMENDOUSLY.....COUPLE THAT WITH THE YEAR ROUND CHRISTMAS LIGHTS , SPOT LIGHTS, AND MANY, MANY OTHER LIGHTS....AND YOU HAVE NOTHING LESS THAN A LAKE SIDE CIRCUS COMPLETE WITH THE PARTICIPANTS TO GO WITH IT.
CHUCK'S MARINA WAS ALLOWED INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD COVENANT, BY WE THE RESIDENTS, BACK IN THE 1960'S. THOSE COVENANTS WERE NEVER ABUSED OR BROKEN UNTIL NOW WITH THE FULL TIME KARAOKE.
ALL OF THE OWNERS TO INCLUDE RUSSELL LANDS MADE A LIVING AT THE MARINA WITHOUT KARAOKE OR EVEN A PIZZARIA! IMAGINE THAT!!
WE'VE NEVER HAD A PROBLEM WITH IT UNTIL NOW.
WHAT JUST CRACKS ME UP WITH YOU PRO-KARAOKE PEOPLE IS...YOU THINK YOU HAVE THIS RIGHT TO COME INTO OUR NEIGHBORHOOD AND PARTY TIL YOU PUKE, AND JUSTIFY IT BY CALLING IT A PUBLIC LAKE!!
YES....IT IS A PUBLIC LAKE....BUT THE MARINA IS ON LAND....IN OUR NEIGHBORHOOD...FALLING UNDER THE COVENANT OF OUR NEIGHBORHOOD.
YOU'RE NOT GOING TO CONTINUE WITHOUT A FIGHT....SO....GET USED TO THAT!!
GET IN TOUCH WITH ME....COME ON OVER..I'LL EVEN SUPPLY THE BEER...AND WE'LL HAVE A LISTEN FROM MY DECK.
I DON'T KNOW HOW MORE ACCOMODATING I CAN BE THAN THAT!!
Stratman.....
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Anon Y Mous
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I haven't decided
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5/19/2004 11:58:43 AM
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I haven't decided whether stratman is for real or not.
He could be a pro-karaoke guy, trying to make the homeowners look as bad as possible. If that's it, you're doing a great job.
If he's really a homeowner, I hope he'll read this and take it to heart: Stratman, you are making it very, very hard to be on your side. In the beginning I was, but like I said, your attitude makes it difficult. Also, LAY OFF WITH THE ALL-CAPS. You're angery, we get it. But in the world of internet forums, ALL-CAPS signify yelling... and isn't TOO MUCH NOISE AND DISRESPECT what you claim to hate so much? Your continued use of the ALL-CAPS brings to mind the phrase "the pot calling the kettle black."
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RagPicker
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Noise pollution ordinances
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5/19/2004 12:51:36 PM
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str8tup.... No, I've never considered getting one of those "flash" beasts. One time I did toy with the idea of cutting the muflers off my Peterbuilt and then driving it real fast through the neighborhood to attract attention to myself as I collected money for my pet charity, the Barnwell, SC home for unwed fathers. That never happened because my woman, Darlene, pointed out people have a basic right not to have their peace disturbed no matter how much I do love the throaty high powered snarl of a really big diesel. So there is hope for me yet. Mayhaps if I can ever shake Darlene....
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Anon Y Mous
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Noise pollution ordinances
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5/19/2004 3:20:50 PM
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You're going to have to translate that into a language str8tup can understand; try eliminating all of the punctuation and grammar, for a start.
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RagPicker
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5/19/2004 4:32:52 PM
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Mous
Criticizing punctuation, grammer and spelling are no substitute for arguing the logic or illogic of points made. That sounds like something they do up yonder when us Southrons refuse to be intimidated in some debate. No, I've had my say and made my point. I'm content.
Regards,
Snoot
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I haven't decided
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5/19/2004 7:20:17 PM
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HI THERE ANON Y MOUS!!
AREN'T THESE CAPS JUST A LITTLE EASIER TO READ THAN THE TINY NORMAL LETTERS THIS FORUM PROVIDES?
NO.....I DON'T WEAR GLASSES NOR DO I NEED THEM.
SHOULD I BE ALL COOL, CALM, AND COLLECTED HERE....WHEN THE FIRST WORDS SPOKEN OF WE RESIDENTS HERE WERE....BORING, AND ANAL MAN? THAT, BY THE WAY.....WAS THE FIRST NAME CALLING...LOOK BACK ON THIS THREAD AND THE KARAOKE THREAD, AND YOU WILL SEE THAT I AM RIGHT.
I REALLY DON'T CARE WHETHER YOU ARE ON OUR SIDE OR NOT....THAT WAS NOT MY INTENTION WHEN I STARTED POSTING HERE. I WAS MERELY ANSWERING SOME MISINFORMED PEOPLE HERE THAT EVIDENTLY ONLY HAVE ONE SIDE OF THE STORY.
WE RESIDENTS ARE TAKING CARE OF BUSINESS REGARDLESS OF WHO IS OR IS NOT ON OUR SIDES.
I WOULD THOUGH WELCOME ANYONE'S AGREEMENT OF OUR STANCE...I WILL ADMIT TO THAT AS I ALREADY HAVE TO TWO OTHERS HERE ON THIS FORUM.
BUT IF YOU DISAGREE....IT DOESN'T REALLY MATTER.....YOU'RE FREE TO CHOOSE AS YOU WILL....JUST LIKE THE REST OF US.
ANYONE HERE IS ALLOWED TO SHOW ANY KIND OF EMOTION THEY CHOOSE.....THERE'S NOTHING WRONG WITH THAT...IS IT?
I AM ON SEVERAL FORUMS LOCAL AND WORLD WIDE.....WE USE CAPS ALL THE TIME.....DON'T LET IT BOTHER YOU.....IT'S NO BIG DEAL NOR IS IT INDICATIVE OF ANYTHING.....OTHER THAN BEING A CAP.
GOOD TO HEAR FROM YOU.......HAVE A GREAT DAY!!
Stratman................
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I Give!!!!!!!!!!!
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5/19/2004 8:08:11 PM
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I live on the west end of the Lake. I read often, but rarely post. I have never been to Chucks. I did not even know about this karaoke controversy until reading this, and I HATE KARAOKE!! I like peace and quiet which fortunately, I have it.
Now, let me sat this.
STRATMAN, YOU ARE A MORON!!!!
Your neighbors should run you out, because you are causing far more harm than good. If you had half a brain, I'd agree with your position. But hell, I'm ready to send "Chuck", or "Greg”, or whoever runs "Chucks", a sympathy card just for putting up with your crap.
GET A LIFE! Listen to the good advice that has been given to you by many and SHUTUP (others have been more subtle).
Ok, (deep breath x 5) I feel better, Ya'all go back to posting and keeping me entertained.
PS. Stratman, Jerry Springer could use a high strung, brain dead, A** H*** like you. Give him a call. (Whew, That felt good too!!)
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stratman
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I Give!!!!!!!!!!!
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5/19/2004 9:52:05 PM
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Orange Mobius.....
What ever floats your boat man....:D
I don't give people crap.....I'm only venting at MORONS here on this forum.
You seem to hate karaoke and like peace and quiet the same as I do...but yet you criticize me for venting against people that are trying to take away from me, that you have and seem to take for granted.
Just because I go off on a few idiots for their remarks and standing up for myself and my community....doesn't make me a bad person.
Your opinion is your right....just the same as our is.
Either way....it doesn't affect us on this side of the lake.
Have a great...peaceful...Lake evening..........................Stratman.....
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boatman
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I Give!!!!!!!!!!!
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5/19/2004 10:04:14 PM
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It's real good to see this issue calming down a bit. What if we change the subject to parked boats, chimney rock and small bikinis? How about that setting????? Be back with you tomorrow night. Gone for now..........
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Anon Y Mous
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Link for you...
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5/20/2004 2:26:04 AM
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No, all-caps is NOT easier to read, though it is easier than that stupid radio style Where Every Word In A Sentence Is Capitalized. But the standard style: capitalize only the first word of the sentence (and proper nouns) is the easiest; that's why books and newspapers use that style!
Here's a link for you, explaining the general rules of posting. Check out #1: http://www.onlinenetiquette.com/courtesy1.html
URL: Netiquette
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stratman
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Link for you...
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5/20/2004 7:36:19 AM
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Thanks for the link......
Although these things are written by people just like you and I.....which means nothing.
I've also had people say that a Southern accent in the business sector is not an asset to have and that it should be tossed asside as soon as possible. I personally believe that is BS and my accent causes me no problem at all.
You're taking something trivial and missing the major point....which is....simply getting one's point accross.
In my previous posts.....I was not implying yelling.....I was simply trying to get my point accross....nothing more.
Thanks for the link though.
I will say one thing.....These little green letters that we originally type our posts on are harder to read than the black letters that we read them on after the post is sent.....
Stratman.....
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Rag Picker
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Noise pollution ordinances
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5/20/2004 9:43:17 AM
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When these boys race by, my crew just smiles and waves like my granny holding up a little bitty china cup of hot Red Rose tea.
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Rag Picker
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Martin follows Lanier's lead
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5/25/2004 4:17:36 PM
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As long as all these "Buckhead Bobby" types figure they somehow have the birthright to race daddy's high powered ocean boat into a crowded slough at 75 mph and the devil take everyone else, then Lake Martin is doomed to follow the lead of Lake Sydney Lanier.
Lanier long ago became a very dangerous place. By the mid 60's they began publishing a seasonal accidental death tally complete with predictions for the number who would die there on the 4th of July and Labor Day.. The problem spiraled out of control in the 70's as folks with perhaps more money than brains exercised "their right" to do whatever they chose to do on the water with whatever they could afford to do it with. And of course the more Dewars the better the fun.
Its just a matter of time before Lake Martin is reduced to that.. What is now the irresponsible exception might one day become the rule. I hope I'm wrong, but I'm probably not. I've seen it all before.
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RagPicker
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Noise is noise
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6/29/2004 1:19:11 PM
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Interesting that Shuman complains about the "me-me-me" attitude of people who want to let their hair down and enjoy the lake, but is the driving force behind a little bitty crowd who is so into "me-me-me" that they sued a guy to force him to comply with their wishes. By my reckoning that's a lot more obnoxious than some 454 cubic inch Cigarette boat roaring up the slough.
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