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rock
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water level
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1/19/2008 12:26:26 PM
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Well at least it is going in the right direction. I wonder how long before it gets to regular winter level.
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I guessed January 26th a few months ago when someone asked. I don't think it's going to make it, but it is good to see the trend line reversed.
Hey Feb, you still holding with ground hog day?
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Feb
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water level
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1/19/2008 1:28:06 PM
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I am thinking more like St. Paddy's Day now. LOL
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Osms
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Prediction
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1/19/2008 1:35:11 PM
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490' by Memorial Day. Lord, I hope so.
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Maverick
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Based on Past 19 Days Trend
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1/19/2008 1:52:39 PM
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Past 19 days lake has risen about 1 foot.
Currently at 476.
So assume 1 foot per every 15 days.
So the lake level would be as follows:
Jan 31 - 477
Feb 15 - 478
March 1 - 479
March 15 - 480
April 1 - 481
April 15 - 482
May 1 - 483
May 15 - 484
May 30 - 485
Unless things change significantly in the amount of rain we are receiving the above is my guess.
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Maverick
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No Realistic but -----------
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1/19/2008 2:48:05 PM
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OPTOMISTIC for sure!!!!!!!!!!!!
So guess I have to agree with feb 480' St Patrick's Day. Unless we get more rain.
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Keep the optimism glass at least half full; this storm will certainly help and I think the ground is starting to get saturated.
ps....I sure am glad I'm not working today!
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Walter
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Observation/Rant
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1/20/2008 8:08:59 AM
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I've heard alot of weather folks predicting the drought will continue. But lets remember that weather folks can hardly predict the weather a week in advanced , much less 3 months !!! After all, I didn't hear anybody predicting this drought before it happenned last year!! The weather channel is a rating seeking beast that overplays their hand at everything from Hurricane Predictions ( last two year hurricane forecasts could not have been more wrong!) to Global warming forecasts. In reality , our earths weather is one of the most complex systems known to man. It's fluctuations are impacted by thousands of factors that all interact with each other. There is no way a computer model can take all these variables into account. Having said this, I predict full pool by May, and a wet spring and summer on shear gut feeling. I have just as good a chance of being correct as Jim Cantore. I also predict that if the Dems take office all the Global Warming doom and gloom reporting will immediately replaced with more optimistic reporting by the news outlets. The Media obviously has tried to blame the Bush administration for everything from Katrina to the rise of radical islamic insanity. Unfortunately plenty of americans are stupid enough to believe everything they hear on the news.
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bishop812
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Observation/Rant
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1/20/2008 8:18:33 AM
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I agree with almost everything you said, except when you talked about Bush and global warming. I believe their is a natural cycle with the warm conditions I don't think we are helping any either. And Bush is an idiot and we can't get him out of office fast enough. He is not responsible for Katrina, but he did not do enough after it happened. I hope people on this forum no it's time or a change and don't let another president in who just worries about his buddies.
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Feb
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Put Most Americans on Wellfare
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1/20/2008 9:43:28 AM
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I saw in the last couple of day on the news where the current President is attempting to put 97% of Americans on Wellfare. The news did a good job of showing President Bush on the TV Screen and it appeared the words were coming out of Bush's mouth.
I have a hearing disbility, thanks to Nam; therefore I read lips pretty well. I could of sworn Bush's lips were saying to give everyone checks and raise the National Deifcit another $150 Billion dollars.
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UncleSam
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Mythbuster?
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1/20/2008 1:23:53 PM
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I'm surprised Mythbuster doesn't take these hurricane prediction rants and interject some facts.
Fact: On December 8, 2006, the first first extended-range forecast for the 2007 season was issued, predicting above-average activity (14 named storms, 7 hurricanes, 3 of Category 3 or higher).
Fact: Though the official hurricane season extends from June 1 to November 30, this year it started on May 9 and ended on December 11; the early start date and late ending date were both because of storms that developed outside of the usual expected dates, which to me is a good indicator of a busier-than-usual hurricane season.
Fact: 2007 was one of four recorded Atlantic seasons that have had more than one category 5 storm (1960, 1961 and 2005 were the others) and the ONLY time two Atlantic hurricanes have ever made landfall at Category 5 strength in the same season.
Fact: Hurricane Humberto became the fastest developing storm on record to be so close to land. It strengthened from a 35 mph tropical depression to a 90 mph hurricane in 14 hours while 15 miles (24 km) off the coast of Texas. Hurricane Humbert was also the first hurricane to make landfall in the U.S. since Hurricane Wilma in 2005.
Fact: September had a RECORD TYING 8 storms.
BOTTOM LINE: Go back and look at that prediction again. 14 named storms, 7 hurricanes, 3 of Category 3 or higher. The actual numbers: 15 named storms, 6 hurricanes, 2 of Category 3 or higher. You said they couldn't have been more wrong; I'd say they were almost spot-on in their predictions.
Of course, the bottom line for most people is "how was I affected, since no one matters but ME?" In that case, WE did not have much of a hurricane season; the same high-pressure system that kept the rain away also kept pushing tropical storm systems to the west. (Just ask a Texan how they felt about the "drought" this summer.) But despite what it looks like, the little weatherman in your TV isn't talking just to you, and the NOAA isn't making predictions based on just you.
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Walter
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Mythbuster?
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1/20/2008 2:33:34 PM
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So who predicted the high pressure system that kept the hurricanes away from the US gulf coast for the last 2 years? Nobody, that's who. Why? Because Hurricane prediction and weather forecasting in general are frought with computer modeling errors simply because it is not possible to feed the computer all the variable and the interaction of these variables that change the weather (including how much energy the sun is emitting at any one time , which is not a static number). Hey, I'm not blaming the weatherman. They do what they can. I am saying that the media should not report global climate change stories for political purposes ( which they obviously do) and weather forecasters should let the public know just how inexact their science really is.
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Walter
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Interesting link
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1/20/2008 2:56:00 PM
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http://www.iceagenow.com/index.htm
I'm sure that not everything on this wesite is true, but it is an interesting read. Incidentally, I'd like to submit a thought on Climate change. I am all for a clean environment and clean fuels and wind energy etc... I think these changes will help us live in a better , cleaner world. But as far as man impacting the climate , I don't believe it's that simple. Climate never stays the same. Did prehistoric beasts suck CO2 out of the atmosphere to create ice ages? No, of course not. And as for global warming being the horrible scenario the media makes it out to be, there is no doubt that global cooling would be much more detrimental to all of earths creatures. The earth has been warmer that it is now and it's been cooler and of the two I'll take a bit warmer anyday.
URL: http://www.iceagenow.com/index.htm
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Walter
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Interesting link
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1/20/2008 3:00:23 PM
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Manipulation of public perceptions
By Dr. Tim Ball
While the media raised alarms over Arctic ice melt, they did not report
that Antarctic winter sea ice extent was the greatest on record.
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4 Dec 07 - Most people know very little about the natural world and how it works. This lack of knowledge is easily exploited and coupled with fear makes it an even more powerful manipulative tool.
Arctic ice conditions are a perfect example. In 2005 we heard that an area of Arctic ice the size Texas melted more than in 2004. Horrors! Catastrophe! The polar bears will be dead very soon. But what is the reality? Well this melt is well within natural variability and a very small portion of the total annual melt. Every single summer approximately 10 million square kilometers of ice melts in about 3 months. This is an area equal to the United States.
Texas is approximately 681,089 square kilometers or 6.8% of the total land area. Suddenly it is not so dramatic. The same scare technique was used in the 1970s. We were told, "The ice cover in the Northern Hemisphere increased by 12 percent in 1971 - an increase equal to the combined are of England, Italy, and France. This added ice has remained."
While the media raised alarms over Arctic ice melt, they did not report that Antarctic winter sea ice extent was the greatest on record.
Of course, all this ice is in the water, so when it melts sea level doesn’t change. So the ice is not disappearing. Annual melt and refreeze is large, and current situations are well within normal numbers.
The pattern this year illustrates the cycle.
See ice-extent maps: http://www.ilovemycarbondioxide.com/Arctic.html
Thanks to Hans Schreuder for this link
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Walter
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Interesting link
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1/20/2008 3:03:09 PM
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http://www.ilovemycarbondioxide.com/Arctic.html
URL: http://www.ilovemycarbondioxide.com/Arctic.html
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Walter
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Interesting link
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1/20/2008 3:04:33 PM
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http://www.ilovemycarbondioxide.com/Arctic.html
URL: http://www.ilovemycarbondioxide.com/Arctic.html
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UncleSam
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Don't change the argument.
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1/20/2008 3:46:39 PM
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You said: "last two year hurricane forecasts could not have been more wrong!"
I pointed out that last year's hurricane forecast was quite accurate (within ONE on predicting named storms, hurricanes, and major hurricanes.) If you disagree with that still, then say so. But to change the argument to something completely different just makes it look like you KNOW you were wrong, but don't have what it takes to admit it.
If you want to continue with your Global Warming responses, do, but that's not what I was talking about, and that's not something I know enough about to debate. But if changing the subject is the best tactic you have, then go ahead.
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UncleSam
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Interesting link
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1/20/2008 3:53:33 PM
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In the interest of educating myself, I went to this site. Then , in the interest of educating myself further, I investigated what I had just read. It didn't take me long to find this (I dare you to read it all): http://www.monbiot.com/archives/2005/05/10/junk-science/
Maybe you shouldn't believe everything you are told to believe.
URL: another interesting site
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Walter
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I did not change it / you did
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1/20/2008 4:23:46 PM
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I'm not changing the argument. Weather prediction is wrong more often than it's right. My argument is that global climate change is far too complex to be distilled down to one factor controlling it (ie., man made CO2 in the atmosphere). If it was that simple, climate patterns could be predicted on a simple calculator. CO2 X=Y. I don't claim to know the answer ,as you do. I simply say , nobody has the answer, but the issue is being over simplified and used to forward poitical agendas ( a la Al Gore).
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Walter
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Interesting link
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1/20/2008 4:27:56 PM
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http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/columnists/steigerwald/s_492572.html
URL: http://www.pittsburghlive.com/x/pittsburghtrib/opinion/columnists/steigerwald/s_492572.html
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Walter
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Interesting link
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1/20/2008 4:35:21 PM
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Friendsofscience.org
URL: http://www.Friendsofscience.org
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Walter
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Interesting link
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1/20/2008 4:35:48 PM
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JunkScience.com
URL: http://www.JunkScience.com
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Walter
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Interesting link
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1/20/2008 4:36:09 PM
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CO2Science.org
URL: http://www.CO2Science.org
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Walter
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Jury is still out
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1/20/2008 4:38:19 PM
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More links
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BigFoot
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bmk
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1/20/2008 4:38:39 PM
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....and the war of links rages!
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And all this means the lake will be full when?
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Walter
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Let's ask Al Gore
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1/20/2008 5:05:42 PM
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If you believe the fear mongers, the lake will never be the same. I personally believe the drought is over and the lake will be back to full pool by summer. We should ask Al Gore what he thinks, after all he is a self proclaimed expert on global weather patterns and the "inventor of the internet". Al Gore is a such a joke!
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MartiniMan
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Mythbuster?
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1/20/2008 11:09:22 PM
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My problem with their predictions is two fold. First, if their methodology was so accurate why were they so wrong in 2006? It is disingenuous to only consider years where they were right as proof they know what they are talking about. Even a blind squirrel finds an acorn now and then...it doesn't mean they can see. As a matter of fact, they rely on complex models whose inputs come from widely scattered data points and the inaccuracy is proof positive that we cannot totally rely on the predictions. Its just not that simple and cherry picking good years and ignoring the ones they blow is intellectually dishonest.
Second, why does anyone think hurricanes have anything to do with global warming, anyway? Anyone with a modicum of climatological knowledge would understand that hurricane activity is driven by ocean currents which are not subject to yearly variations in global temperatures (look up El Nino and La Nina). The fact is that the science behind the change in global temperatures is far from settled despite the nonsense we hear in the media and from alarmists (I refer to a recent statement by over 400 highly qualified climate/physics/geophysics scientists that dispute the alleged "consensus", which in the scientific realm is a meaningless term anyway. Remember, there was once a scientific consensus that the earth was at the center of the solar system!).
Having said all that, I hope and pray the drought is over and we get lots of rain, even a tropical storm or two and Lake Martin fills to the brim!!!
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Walter
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Mythbuster?
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1/21/2008 8:39:21 AM
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Well said my friend . I was trying say the same thing, but you said it very eloquently.
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MythBuster
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Another myth that will not die
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1/21/2008 3:46:30 PM
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Al Gore did not claim to have "invented the internet." And no matter how many times people say that he did, the fact remains that he never said it. The fact that people are more interested in making him look bad than in the truth says more about those people than it does about Gore (who has done enough to make himself look like a buffoon; you'd think that lying about him wouldn't be a necessity. But the lies persist.)
What Gore DID say was "During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system."
From snopes.com: Despite the derisive references that continue even today, Al Gore did not claim he "invented" the Internet, nor did he say anything that could reasonably be interpreted that way. The "Al Gore said he 'invented' the Internet" put-downs were misleading, out-of-context distortions of something he said during an interview with Wolf Blitzer on CNN's "Late Edition" program on 9 March 1999. When asked to describe what distinguished him from his challenger for the Democratic presidential nomination, Senator Bill Bradley of New Jersey, Gore replied (in part):
During my service in the United States Congress, I took the initiative in creating the Internet. I took the initiative in moving forward a whole range of initiatives that have proven to be important to our country's economic growth and environmental protection, improvements in our educational system.
Clearly, although Gore's phrasing was clumsy (and perhaps self-serving), he was not claiming that he "invented" the Internet (in the sense of having designed or implemented it), but that he was responsible, in an economic and legislative sense, for fostering the development of the technology that we now know as the Internet. To claim that Gore was seriously trying to take credit for the "invention" of the Internet is, frankly, just silly political posturing that arose out of a close presidential campaign. Gore never used the word "invent," and the words "create" and "invent" have distinctly different meanings — the former is used in the sense of "to bring about" or "to bring into existence" while the latter is generally used to signify the first instance of someone's thinking up or implementing an idea. (To those who say the words "create" and "invent" mean exactly the same thing, we have to ask why, then, the media overwhelmingly and consistently cited Gore as having claimed he "invented" the Internet, even though he never used that word, and transcripts of what he actually said were readily available.)
If President Eisenhower had said in the mid-1960s that he, while President, "created" the Interstate Highway System, we would not have seen dozens and dozens of editorials lampooning him for claiming he "invented" the concept of highways or implying that he personally went out and dug ditches across the country to help build the roadway. Everyone would have understood that Ike meant he was a driving force behind the legislation that created the highway system, and this was the very same concept Al Gore was expressing about himself with his Internet statement.
Whether Gore's statement that he "took the initiative in creating the Internet" is justified is a subject of debate. Any statement about the "creation" or "beginning" of the Internet is difficult to evaluate, because the Internet is not a homogenous entity (it's a collection of computers, networks, protocols, standards, and application programs), nor did it all spring into being at once (the components that comprise the Internet were developed in various places at different times and are continuously being modified, improved, and expanded). Despite a spirited defense of Gore's claim by Vint Cerf (often referred to as the "father of the Internet") in which he stated "that as a Senator and now as Vice President, Gore has made it a point to be as well-informed as possible on technology and issues that surround it," many of the components of today's Internet came into being well before Gore's first term in Congress began in 1977. (Full text of Cerf's comments below.)
It is true, though, that Gore was popularizing the term "information superhighway" in the early 1990s (although he did not, as is often claimed by others, coin the phrase himself) when few people outside academia or the computer/defense industries had heard of the Internet, and he sponsored the 1988 National High-Performance Computer Act (which established a national computing plan and helped link universities and libraries via a shared network) and cosponsored the Information Infrastructure and Technology Act of 1992 (which opened the Internet to commercial traffic).
In May 2005, the organizers of the Webby Awards for online achievements honored Al Gore with a lifetime achievement award for three decades of contributions to the Internet. "He is indeed due some thanks and consideration for his early contributions," said Vint Cerf.
Vint Cerf: "VP Gore was the first or surely among the first of the members of Congress to become a strong supporter of advanced networking while he served as Senator. As far back as 1986, he was holding hearings on this subject (supercomputing, fiber networks...) and asking about their promise and what could be done to realize them. Bob Kahn, with whom I worked to develop the Internet design in 1973, participated in several hearings held by then-Senator Gore and I recall that Bob introduced the term ``information infrastructure'' in one hearing in 1986. It was clear that as a Senator and now as Vice President, Gore has made it a point to be as well-informed as possible on technology and issues that surround it.
As Senator, VP Gore was highly supportive of the research community's efforts to explore new networking capabilities and to extend access to supercomputers by way of NSFNET and its successors, the High Performance Computing and Communication program (which included the National Research and Education Network initiative), and as Vice President, he has been very responsive to recommendations made, for example, by the President's Information Technology Advisory Committee that endorsed additional research funding for next generation fundamental research in software and related topics. If you look at the last 30-35 years of network development, you'll find many people who have made major contributions without which the Internet would not be the vibrant, growing and exciting thing it is today. The creation of a new information infrastructure requires the willing efforts of thousands if not millions of participants and we've seen leadership from many quarters, all of it needed, to move the Internet towards increased availability and utility around the world.
While it is not accurate to say that VP Gore invented Internet, he has played a powerful role in policy terms that has supported its continued growth and application, for which we should be thankful.
We're fortunate to have senior level members of Congress and the Administration who embrace new technology and have the vision to see how it can be put to work for national and global benefit. "
URL: Just the fact's ma'am.
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Lady
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Another myth that will not die
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1/21/2008 6:17:16 PM
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Thank you for posting this, MythBuster. There are too many people that believe everything they think !
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Walter
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Another myth that will not die
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1/21/2008 9:58:28 PM
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Of course he didn't actually believe or literally claim to be the inventor ot the WWW . Even he is not idiot enough to try to pull that one off on national TV . What he did do is try to take credit for something he had little or no role in. The rising tide of technology in the 80's and 90's was an ustopable force and could not have been suppressed by congress if they had tried. For Gore to give himself credit is like the rooster taking credit for the sun rising. In much the same way, he is now positioning himself to take credit for global climate stabilization and or slight cooling in the next decade or two , which likely will occur no matter what mankind does . I'm sure he was hoping for several more massive hurricanes making landfall on the Gulf coast the last two years just to give himself a new podium. Sorry Al, It didn't happen for ya. He is a self serving ( and over weight) slime ball.
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Lakeman
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Another myth that will not die
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1/22/2008 11:49:34 AM
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" The sky is falling ".
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MartiniMan
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Mythbuster?
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1/22/2008 12:46:13 PM
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Not a problem. Its so frustrating having a discussion with someone that believes global warming is caused by man because they simply ignore conflicting facts and legitimate concerns about the methodology used to make the connection. It almost always devolves into the globe is warming ergo man caused it. Very unscientific but most of the alarmists are not scientists (ala Algore) and those that are often either have a vested interest (research grants, investments in alternate technologies, etc.) or are anti-American or anti-capitalists.
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Walter
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Mythbuster?
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1/22/2008 9:15:16 PM
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Yep. No doubt . I wish there was more balanced reporting on this topic on national TV. Glenn Beck ( CNN ~ ironic) actually did a nice but short segment on it last summer, but that's the only good presentation of the counter point on global climate changes that I've seen on a major network. Thank God a few people out there have a brain and don't depend on the mass media to tell them what to think and how to behave.
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rude evin
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Mythbuster?
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1/22/2008 10:00:52 PM
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Walter...............thanks for the good discussion and a bit of common sense thrown in, you might also be interested in an article titled "Will the Ice caps melt" authored by Prof John B Fenn ,Nobel Prize, Chemistry 2002 that can be seen on the site www.americanthinker.com......he does a smooth and crisp slice of Al Gore's hysteria. Enjoy........
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