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Name:   waterph - Email Member
Subject:   Opinion, Obamacare
Date:   10/22/2013 7:23:42 PM

From FOX News Why ObamaCare is a fantastic success Oct 21, 2013 3:22 PM EDT There are two major political parties in America. I'm a member of the naïve, stupid, and cowardly one. I'm a Republican. How stupid is the GOP? They still don't get it. I told them 5 years ago, 2 books ago, a national bestseller ago ("The Ultimate Obama Survival Guide"), and in hundreds of articles and commentaries, that ObamaCare was never meant to help America, or heal the sick, or lower healthcare costs, or lower the debt, or expand the economy. The GOP needs to stop calling ObamaCare a "trainwreck." That means it's a mistake, or accident. That means it's a gigantic flop, or failure. It's NOT. This is a brilliant, cynical, and purposeful attempt to damage the U.S. economy, kill jobs, and bring down capitalism. It's not a failure, it's Obama's grand success. It's not a "trainwreck," ObamaCare is a suicide attack. He wants to hurt us, to bring us to our knees, to capitulate- so we agree under duress to accept big government. Obama's hero and mentor was Saul Alinsky -- a radical Marxist intent on destroying capitalism. Alinksky's stated advice was to call the other guy "a terrorist" to hide your own intentions. To scream that the other guy is "ruining America," while you are the one actually plotting the destruction of America. To claim again and again...in every sentence of every speech...that you are "saving the middle class," while you are busy wiping out the middle class. The GOP is so stupid they can't see it. There are no mistakes here. This is a planned purposeful attack. The tell-tale sign isn't the disastrous start to ObamaCare. Or the devastating effect the new taxes are having on the economy. Or the death of full-time jobs. Or the overwhelming debt. Or the dramatic increases in health insurance rates. Or the 70% of doctors now thinking of retiring- brining on a healthcare crisis of unimaginable proportions. Forget all that. The real sign that this is a purposeful attack upon capitalism is how many Obama administration members and Democratic Congressmen are openly calling Tea Party Republicans and anyone who wants to stop ObamaCare "terrorists." There's the clue. Even the clueless GOP should be able to see that. They are calling the reasonable people...the patriots...the people who believe in the Constitution ... the people who believe exactly what the Founding Fathers believed...the people who want to take power away from corrupt politicians who have put America $17 trillion in debt...terrorists? That's because they are Saul Alinsky-ing the GOP. The people trying to purposely hurt America, capitalism and the middle class...are calling the patriots by a terrible name to fool, confuse and distract the public. ObamaCare is a raving, rollicking, fantastic success. Stop calling it a failure. Here is what it was created to do. It is succeeding on all counts: 1. ObamaCare was intended to bring about the Marxist dream -- redistribution of wealth. Rich people, small business owners, and the middle class are being robbed, so that the money can be redistributed to poor people (who vote for Democrats). Think about it. If you're rich or middle class, you now have to pay for your own health care costs (at much higher rates) AND 40 million other people's costs too (through massive tax increases). So you're stuck paying for both bills. You are left broke. Brilliant. 2. ObamaCare was intended to wipe out the middle class and make them dependent on government. Think about it. Even Obama's IRS predicts that health insurance for a typical American family by 2016 will be $20,000 per year. But how would middle class Americans pay that bill and have anything left for food or housing or living? People that make $40K, or $50K, or $60K can't possibly hope to spend $20K on health insurance without becoming homeless. Bingo. That's how you make middle class people dependent on government. That's how you make everyone addicted to government checks. Brilliant. 3. As a bonus, ObamaCare is intended to kill every decent paying job in the economy, creating only crummy, crappy part-time jobs. Why? Just to make sure the middle class is trapped, with no way out. Just to make sure no one has the $20,000 per year to pay for health insurance, thereby guaranteeing they become wards of the state. Brilliant. 4. ObamaCare is intended to bankrupt small business, and therefore starve donations to the GOP. Think about it. Do you know a small business owner? I know hundreds of them. Their rates are being doubled, tripled and quadrupled by ObamaCare. Guess who writes 75% of the checks to Republican candidates and conservative causes? The GOP. Even if a small business owner manages to survive, he or she certainly can't write a big check to the GOP anymore. Money is the "mother's milk" of politics. Without donations, a political party ceases to exist. Bingo. That's the point of ObamaCare. Obama is bankrupting his political opposition and drying up donations to the GOP. Brilliant. 5. ObamaCare is intended to make the IRS all-powerful. It adds thousands of new IRS agents. It puts the IRS in charge of overseeing 15% of the U.S. economy. The IRS has the right because of ObamaCare to snoop into every aspect of your life, to go into your bank accounts, to fine you, to frighten you, to intimidate you. And Obama and his socialist cabal have access to your deepest medical secrets. By law your doctor has to ask your sexual history. That information is now in the hands of Obama and the IRS to blackmail GOP candidates into either not running, or supporting bigger government, or leaking the info and ruining your campaign. Or have you forgotten the IRS harassed, intimidated and persecuted critics of Obama and conservative groups? Now Obama hands the IRS even more power. Big Brother rules our lives. Brilliant. 6. ObamaCare is intended to unionize 15 million healthcare workers. That produces $15 billion in new union dues. That money goes to fund Democratic candidates and socialist causes -- thereby guaranteeing Obama's friends never lose another election, and Obama's policies keep ruining capitalism and bankrupting business owners long after he's out of office. Message to the GOP: This isn't a game. This isn't tiddly-winks. This is a serious, purposeful attempt to highjack America and destroy capitalism. This isn't a trainwreck. It's purposeful suicide. It's not failing, it's working exactly according to plan. Obama knows what he's doing. Stop apologizing and start fighting. Oh and one more thing...Conservatives aren't "terrorists." We are patriots and saviors. We represent the Constitution and the Founding Fathers. We are the heroes and good guys. Unless you get all this through your thick skulls, America is lost...forever.



Name:   jcamp0712 - Email Member
Subject:   Opinion, Obamacare
Date:   10/25/2013 8:45:59 AM

Come on Man,  don't you know that the Republicans are just as much in on it as the Democrats and Obama. Geeze Louise, anyone with a drop of common sense sees this is all about writing themselves a check.  Just look at how much money is spent every day with a govermant credit card.  A credit card that will not or can not ever be paid back. 
Our country and political system is designed to fail.  When one can vote themselves a check drawn on the checking account of another American citizen, then the system is about to fail.  Our forefathers knew that if America lasted 300 years, it would be a miracle.  We are currently 47% takers and 47% givers with 6% moving back and forth.  The day when this ratio become 51% takers and 43% givers, it will be the end of America as we know it.  But people and voters are complacent and will wait until it is too late to try and change things.  Powers stronger and more powerful than us citizens are running this country.  We are out gunned and are being outsmarted.  Our economy and ownership of this country is being taken over by foreigners.  Koreans, Chinzese, Germans, Mexicans are buying ou our lands and businesses.  Not so much here on Lake Martin but in the cities and in our government.  Enjoy this wonderful country as long as you can for nothing lasts for ever.



Name:   waterph - Email Member
Subject:   Opinion, Obamacare
Date:   10/25/2013 10:09:53 AM

Did you read this article?



Name:   Shortbus - Email Member
Subject:   Opinion, ? Obamacare ?
Date:   10/25/2013 10:51:15 AM

The story goes that as Benjamin Franklin emerged from Independence Hall at the close of the Constitutional Convention in Philadelphia on September 18, 1787, a woman asked him, “Well Doctor, what have we got, a republic or a monarchy?”.

Mr. Franklin replied, “A republic, madam – if you can keep it.

A democracy is always temporary in nature; it simply cannot exist as a permanent form of government. A democracy will continue to exist up until the time that voters discover that they can vote themselves generous gifts from the public treasury. From that moment on, the majority always votes for the candidates who promise the most benefits from the public treasury,(pull the D for free) with the result that every democracy will finally collapse due to loose fiscal policy, which is always followed by a dictatorship.


?  So Heil Obama  ?.............................................. insurance papers pleeeze...........we in utopia yet?



Name:   Shortbus - Email Member
Subject:   Opinion, ? Obamacare ?
Date:   10/25/2013 1:29:56 PM

http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/census-bureau-means-tested-govt-benefit-recipients-outnumber-full

Americans who were recipients of means-tested government benefits in 2011 outnumbered year-round full-time workers, according to data released this month by the Census Bureau. - See more at: http://www.cnsnews.com/news/article/terence-p-jeffrey/census-bureau-means-tested-govt-benefit-recipients-outnumber-full#sthash.l5kCphnz.dpuf


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