Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Violence on Airplanes/Road Rage
Date:	5/26/2021 1:53:46 PM

I heard on the news this morning that someone punched a flight attendant in mouth and she lost two of her teeth.  Every day it seems like there are a lot of incidences of people behaving violently on aircraft because they don't want to follow instructions or they don't like the rules.  

Then there have been numerous incidence of road rage - a couple of months ago, a person shot and killed a woman because her husband had inadvertently caused another driver to be pushed to the side of the road when the traffic pattern narrowed.  And then a 6 year old child was killed when someone fired into the back of his mother's car.  

Have some people turned feral because of the pandemic?  Have last summer's violence without any apparent consequences caused people to think that they can act out?  

What do you think?  What is the root cause of all this violence?

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Violence on Airplanes/Road Rage
Date:	5/26/2021 3:38:10 PM

Like most of our issues it is in my opinion a result of our culture.  And in particular the cultural rot in our society.  Too many kids raised in broken or single parent homes, loss of faith, loss of a sense of belonging to a community and so on.  As the culture goes, so goes society.

I would also say that another aspect of this is the 24/7 ubiquitous access to news.  Until the last year or two crime was going down but people felt less safe because we never heard of similar events that had happened in the past.  Now we hear about everything due to social media and the 24/7 news cycle.  Gives the impression that things are really worse than they are and going in the wrong direction.  So there is an element of perception based on unlimited access to information that we did not have when we were younger.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Violence on Airplanes/Road Rage
Date:	5/26/2021 4:35:33 PM

I think its just where too many people have never heard the word NO or been disciplined by anyone and they feel there are no consequences to their actions as there never has been in the past.

Name:	au67 -	Reply
Subject:	The non-violent issue
Date:	5/26/2021 4:49:45 PM

The most vivid example of cultural rot is within our political system, from the city/county level, through state governments and to the ultimate cesspool destination, our federal government. Therein resides an immense population of people with no character, morals or integrity, involved in criminal and self-serving activity and never being held accountable. They may not be violent, but they are why this country is going to hell if we don't change it!

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	The non-violent issue
Date:	5/26/2021 5:55:54 PM

I think the federal government has been politicized far more than it was back in my day.  There was always a political level, but the day to day workers didn't necessarily have to toe a particular party line.  Interestingly, I saw this change in Defense with Rummy in charge.  It's much worse now.  

As far as Congress, they are worthless.  They used to actually get down to business but not anymore.  

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	The non-violent issue
Date:	5/26/2021 8:46:16 PM (updated 5/26/2021 8:47:04 PM)

The issue with Congress is quite simple. There was a time when the leader of the opposition party would meet with the President to iron out big issues with compromise from both sides. Now, the current policy of the Right was just stated by Mitch O.

"Senate Minority Leader Mitch McConnell said Wednesday he is "100 percent" focused "on stopping" President Joe Biden's administration.”

Over the past few years, Trump emboldened his supporters with his language at his rallies to be macho. This led to groups forming with the intent of taking down the government. In response, the far Left formed their group antifa. This has led to a country divided with some even bragging about how much ammunition they have stored.

We, as a country, are our worst enemy. Sadly, what we need is a common enemy like the days of the cold war where we can become a country united.

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	The non-violent issue
Date:	5/26/2021 9:14:34 PM

Oh. Ok.  Orange man bad.  

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	The non-violent issue
Date:	5/26/2021 9:15:06 PM

This thing with not cooperating with the opposition party has been going on for decades.  I don't think it is Trump's fault entirely.  The leadership of the House and Senate for some time has been far too committed to party business rather than the business of the country.  The parties have become polarized and unless we can find a way to change that, I don't think it bodes well for our country.  Pelosi and McConnell both have to go.  

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	The non-violent issue
Date:	5/26/2021 10:28:13 PM

It is one thing not to cooperate but Mitch O is just setting the agenda for the party up front with no expectation that things will improve. The Orange Bad man pushed such an agenda and that is now the calling card for your party. 

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	The non-violent issue
Date:	5/27/2021 1:07:48 AM

Orange man use the intelligence organizations to spy on his opponents. And then propagated a wild goose chase hoax about collusion with foreign sources. Orange man carried on a 26 months useless investigation based on no evidence and documents they knew to be false. No wait that wasn't orange man was it

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	The Orange Man
Date:	5/27/2021 8:29:05 AM (updated 5/27/2021 8:31:26 AM)

Orange Man lawyer Bill Barr in big trouble for lying about collusion report...stay tuned as truth about collusion will come out...Manfort the culprit.

Also, Orange Man going to end of in court defending how he values his property high for loans and low for property taxes. Orange Man was lying to either the bank or the property assessors. Orange Man will say he knew nothing about it...so they will nail his kid Eric.

Stay tune for the Saga of the Orange Man and the tailored Orange Jumpsuit.

Biden can't pardon Orange Man since they are State offenses.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	The Orange Man
Date:	5/27/2021 8:35:52 AM

Can you count how many times you have basically said "We got him now and he will go to jail"?  The number is astronomical, but like a blind squirrell - you may eventually find a nut, sadly you are that nut.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Of course you blame the GOP
Date:	5/27/2021 8:43:02 AM

Goofy, you are such a complete partisan joke and historically ignorant thinking this dysfunction started with McConnell, like the last two years of Trump's administration never happened.  Read a little history some time and you will see that partisanship has waxed and waned over time based on the people and the circumstances.  I think fist fights and duels are probably a little more partisan than ugly tweets or snide remarks.  And yes, when the President wants to do something that the other party thinks is harmful to the country they are going to oppose it.  I know, for leftists history always starts wherever it is convenient to them.....such is their invincible ignorance.

But partisanship is not the problem with Congress and never will be.  The problem with Congress is they no longer want to do their jobs.......and be assured, this is a bipartisan phenomenon.  They have abrogated their responsibility to the administrative state.  We can't blame them if most of the "laws" we have to suffer under are really in the form of "rules and regulations" created by unelected, unaccountable bureaucrats in some obscure agency in the bowels of a bloated and corrupt government.  So Congress passes these thousand page monstrosities filled will nonsense and then turn it over to the agencies the interpret what they meant and create all the rules and regulations.  When bad things or unintended consequences happen, and they always do, the administrative state blames Congress and the law and Congress blames the administrative state.  Trust me, I see this every single day in just one area of the government (environment).  It is the same or worse in other areas.  Congresspeople focus on getting elected and blaming others for their mistakes and the administrative state is pretty much untouchable, if you could even figure out who came up with these awful rules and regulations.

Read a little history Goofy.

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	The Orange Man
Date:	5/27/2021 9:08:32 AM

Yeah right.  Would be good for the justice circus to work both ways but too many embedded 'crats.

To me the use of sophisticated intelligence agencies in improper ways more damaging to cou try than Jan 6.

I believe it is Jan 5 2017 that is the issue. May be off a day or two but who's counting when we keep orange man down.

And you should not hope for trump in jail.  Many GOP would do better in 2024 without trump circus.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	The Orange Man
Date:	5/27/2021 9:11:30 AM (updated 5/27/2021 9:15:31 AM)

"Also, Orange Man going to end of in court defending how he values his property high for loans and low for property taxes"

I like most here have owned several if not many properties through the years but not once have I EVER had a property/tax assessor ask me what my property value is.  They asses value, using formulas and data collected from many sources, and then send me a notice annually as to what that value is.  I'm sure 99.9% of the time a property owner never sees the assesor.  You beclown yourself with stupid statements like this.  The same goes for banks dumb@ss.  They use appraisals done by licensed professionals as we all know.  This is not just good ole TDS, this is jsut making sh!t up to try to gaslight the uniformed among us.  You need professional help.  I will pay for your first session so maybe the therapist can convince you that you are sick and need intensive long term help.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	The Orange Man
Date:	5/27/2021 9:13:42 AM

He could run from a NY prison cell and beat any democrat in a legitimate election.  Hell Biden might as well have been in prison no more than he was seen on the campaign trail.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	The non-violent issue
Date:	5/27/2021 11:13:26 AM

I think you are giving far too much credit to Trump.  The divisions were there long before Trump.  McConnell is not doing anything that Pelosi and Schumer are not also doing.  

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	The Orange Man
Date:	5/27/2021 11:18:13 AM

Good point about the assessment of values.  This is nothing more than a witch hunt.  Trump pays legions of smart CPAs and tax lawyers and they'll be arguing this for years to come.  All the media attention is just to create the appearance of wrong doing.  

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Of course you blame the GOP
Date:	5/27/2021 11:31:44 AM

MM, I will grant you that a lot of rules and regulations are based on someone's interpretation of whatever it is Congress has passed.  Usually it gets passed down to someone's general counsel and they interpret it and it gets passed down from there.  Sometimes rules and regulations are created based on the fear of what might happen or on a single incident.  In 2006, most of my year and my bosses year was spent on a Congressional fallacy by Hilary Clinton among others, that foreigners were buying up our ports through which sensitive defense material was passing.  That wasn't true, a UAE company got permission from Commerce to execute a contract for port operations through which no defense material was ever passed.  But didn't mean that we didn't spend 3/4 of a year answering Congressional questions and ultimately stood the Committee on Foreign Investment in the US on it's each.  You would not believe all the reguatory changes that came out of that circus.  The waste of manhours was extraordinary.  

Name:	CRD -	Reply
Subject:	Sorry Lifer, I did not read your post
Date:	5/27/2021 1:35:41 PM (updated 5/27/2021 1:37:27 PM)

Fish, having just received my Elmore County property appraisal, I was wondering when you last received a fill in the blank form from your county of residence that asks, for tax purposes, what you believe your property is worth?  Or for that matter, when was the last time during a refi or application for a HE loan, your bank give you the same fill in the blank form asking you for your best estimate of property value?  Your comment is ludicrous. 

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	LESSON FOR LIFER FROM DUMBA$$
Date:	5/27/2021 1:43:09 PM (updated 5/27/2021 2:05:29 PM)

LIFER, where ya been all your life. If you don't agree with your assessment from the Assessor, you can appeal it. That is what Trump does...he appeals it and says it is worth less than the assessment. I have appealed in the past and won 1 and the value for taxes was reduced. I have also lost 1 appeal over the years.

Then, when he applies for a loan he argues the value is higher than what the bank appraiser states inorder to get a bigger loan. He will be indicted for arguing one to lower and one to raise........it's called fraud.

Before you post, check with me to avoid looking foolish.

Here, for the info of all lake dwellers from Tallapoosa, Elmore, and Coosa.........

TALLAPOOSA Any property owner who feels that the value on his/her property does not reflect fair market value may file a written appeal requesting a hearing before the Board. During the hearing before the board, the property owner may present any evidence that he feels justifies a change in the value of his property. As a result of the hearing the Board may either lower, raise, or leave the value the same. The owner will be notified by mail the results of the hearing. If after the hearing before the Board of Equalization the property owner is not satisfied, the property owner has thirty days to file an appeal with the Circuit Court. In order to preserve his right to carry the appeal process to Circuit Court, taxes must be paid by December 31, or a bond must be filed in the Circuit Clerks office in double the amount of taxes due.

ELMORE RIGHT TO REVIEW OR APPEAL: The Board of Equalization is not a full-time board in Elmore County. If you should desire an appointment with them, write a letter giving your name, address, phone number and parcel identification number. Your letter will be put in file and an appointment will be scheduled for you when the Board goes into session.  

COOSA If you feel your property value is incorrect you may file a written protest with the County Board of Equalization. Upon your appeal, if time permits, you will be contacted by the county appraiser to review your valuation. If, after this review, you are still not satisfied with your valuation, a hearing will be set for you to formally meet with the Board of Equalization to present information you feel justifies a change in value. Following this hearing you will be notified of the decision of the Board of Equalization. You may appeal to Circuit Court within 30 days of their decision. In order to preserve your right to carry the appeal process to Circuit Court, taxes must be paid by December 31, or a bond filed in Circuit Court in double the amount of taxes due.  

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	LESSON FOR LIFER FROM DUMBA$$
Date:	5/27/2021 2:08:42 PM

So you can argue that the county got its information wrong for tax purposes, and argue again with the bank/lender that there information is wrong for loan purposes - and if they both agreed(one up and one down) with you after they did their own assessments / appraisals then you are the fraud?

Sorry sounds like a bucket of horse chit to me, You can argue that a property is worth X to either of them - just as you stated you won 1 and lost 1 - they are under no obligation to accept what you say and have conducted their own independent appraisals.  

Name:	CRD -	Reply
Subject:	LESSON FOR LIFER FROM DUMBA$$
Date:	5/27/2021 2:32:03 PM

So the bank appraiser takes Trump's word on the value?  Doubt it. 

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	LESSON FOR LIFER FROM DUMBA$$
Date:	5/27/2021 2:39:40 PM

You forgot the tax assessor as well - they always take peoples word on it.

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	Hey, DUMBA$$ GOOF
Date:	5/27/2021 4:39:01 PM

Interesting little twist to your fairy tale!  Tallapoosa County has a long policy of placing a greater value on the land and less on the improvements.  Purpose, as explained to me by County, is because it’s easier to defend lake land values, than a home, structure, etc appraisals.  Had a friend who bought his APC lease lot, and the Assessor immediately appraised the lot at 50% more than purchase price, even though APC sold it at market price…no discount.  Friend appealed and lost, and reason given was County puts extra value in land.  Also, Tall. County collects over 60% of all property taxes in the county from lakefront property!  Not about Trump, but counties can screw you just like individuals.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	CRD Elmore Says Do This......
Date:	5/27/2021 6:34:03 PM

No, they do not send out a form. Rather, you have to take the initiative to file an appeal. First, I would talk to the assessor and they may go ahead and make the change. It is a RIGHT to appeal.

ELMORE RIGHT TO REVIEW OR APPEAL: The Board of Equalization is not a full-time board in Elmore County. If you should desire an appointment with them, write a letter giving your name, address, phone number and parcel identification number. Your letter will be put in file and an appointment will be scheduled for you when the Board goes into session.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Some Facts About the Orange Man From Forbes
Date:	5/27/2021 6:45:54 PM

"Vance’s office says it’s looking into whether the company committed bank and insurance fraud. In particular, prosecutors may be looking into former Trump attorney Michael Cohen’s allegation that the Trump Organization has misled banks, insurance companies and the government about the value of its real estate holdings. Cohen claims the company exaggerated its properties’ value to gain more favorable lending terms, and minimized their worth to pay lower taxes."

FORBES AND THE ORANGE MAN

Name:	wix -	Reply
Subject:	And you believe that krap??
Date:	5/27/2021 8:27:39 PM

Geez, GOOF-IDIOT!!  Would you loan someone money without verifying….?  Would you believe a convicted liar…?? 

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Jeez, Goofy
Date:	5/27/2021 8:42:42 PM (updated 5/27/2021 8:44:07 PM)

It is the banks and insurance companies that take the risk and if there is doubt as to the claimed value the lender or insurer has an appraisal done for verification.  If DJT's organization thinks highly of its property value and the lender or insurer doesn't perform a due diligence assessment of the veracity of that claim, the risk is on them.

Oh, and Michael Cohen is a reliable source?  Riiiggghhhttt.

Name:	CRD -	Reply
Subject:	CRD Elmore Says Do This......
Date:	5/28/2021 6:54:17 AM

Appealing an appraisal is legitimate tax strategy.   Unfortunately, "exaggerating the value of one's real estate holdings" which Cohen et al accuse the Trump organization of doing, does not quite sound like the same thing.  I would say that if I were a shareholder in a banking institution, and the institution did not perform its due diligence when negotiating lending terms, but rather took the borrower's word for current value of collateral, I would find another banking entity in which to invest. 

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Jeez, Goofy
Date:	5/28/2021 9:40:15 AM

Michael Cohen has about as much credibility as rock stars spouting economic theory.  

It's not even worth talking about - Trump's legions of tax lawyers and CPAs will be in debate with the state for the foreseeable future.  I'm not a tax code expert, but just about everything in the tax code is subject to interpretation and debate.  I have to laugh because it is not like Trump is actually sitting down figuring his own taxes.  

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	The Facts..FRAUD
Date:	5/28/2021 12:10:09 PM

When you apply for a loan on commercial property, the loan is based on the income level you provide. The loan amount is based on current income and projected income. When Trump would seeks a loan on one of his skyscrapers, the bank would ask for financial documents and use them to determine the loan amount.

A commercial building is taxed differently than your residence. When taxing a large office building, you furnish financials showing the rent, occupancy rate, and profit. The value is determined by analyzing market rent and typical expenses and applying a market capitalization rate. This approach provides a value based on net operating income.

The problem was he maintained 2 sets of books and showed the loan officer a higher profit and the tax authority a lower one. Trump signed off that the numbers provided were correct. Due diligence is based on the numbers you provide. Folks, that’s called fraud.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	The Facts..GFY is a FRAUD
Date:	5/28/2021 1:17:56 PM (updated 5/28/2021 1:18:09 PM)

Sounds more when you were screeching about impeachment 1 and 2 and Russia Russia Russia.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Goofy the fascist judge, jury and executioner
Date:	5/28/2021 1:19:29 PM

Thanks for showing us what you think about due process and the Constitution.  Why not sign up for the firing squad for Trump since you hate him so much you assume his guilt before the guy is even indicted.  Let me suggest you at least show a modicum of decency and use the term "alleged".  I know you are probably so ill informed that you probably don't realize a few salient facts.  One, leftist prosecutors have a penchant for false charges against political opponents, esepcially Soro's bought and paid for ones.  Two, you can pretty much indict a ham sandwich.  Three, people actually defend themselves against charges and are acquitted.  I know you can't imagine this happening given your raging TDS but it's actually factually true.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Goofy the fascist judge, jury and executioner
Date:	5/28/2021 1:23:37 PM (updated 5/28/2021 1:27:56 PM)

GFY knows the evidence exists, he saw the 2 sets of books with his own eyes, err it came to him in a dream - he believes in his shrivelled up raisin of a heart that he saw the books in the crystal ball with his psychic who was helping him figure out his astrological sign - just like he knew that Trump was in cahoots with Russia, Just like he knew that phone call with Ukraine was enough to impeach, just like he knows that Trumps is whatever bad thing the DNC has told him to think.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Goofy the fascist judge, jury and executioner
Date:	5/28/2021 1:32:26 PM

Innocent??? Grand jury looking at it

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Goofy the fascist
Date:	5/28/2021 2:29:03 PM (updated 5/28/2021 2:31:37 PM)

Did not see evidence of two sets of books in your article, its all about attempt to pressure someone to flip by trying to find some form of evidence before they find a crime.  I am glad to see you admit your approval of soviet style banana republic witch hunts(well at least when it is not against your party)

it’s not clear what this grand jury will be focusing on specifically. 

Name:	realfast64 -	Reply
Subject:	The Orange Man
Date:	5/28/2021 4:16:14 PM

   Why is Bill and Donald is trouble and others are not?  Others being Chuck for beating on the Courts doors and threatning the justices? Nancy for pushing a false dosiar (?). Barry for spying on Donalds campaign?  Lets not forget ole Adam for pushing and conspiring with russia to help hillary. And why hasn't Joe been charged with Quid-Pro-quo.  I was he that said he would be leaving in a few hours and if they didn't fire the prosecutor they would not get the American dollars.  Why?

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Phil Is On To Something
Date:	5/28/2021 4:18:34 PM (updated 5/28/2021 5:36:02 PM)

The Grand Jury will return an indictment against Trump based on your own famous words..."While Trump pretty much is about as low life of a human as possible".  Rather amazing that you would actually be defending the Orange Man. Even I showed him more respect than you. 

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	So if and when he goes to jail
Date:	5/28/2021 6:09:52 PM

we'll all say "Gee GF, you were right".  He won't be wearing orange any time soon.  

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Phil Is On To Something
Date:	5/28/2021 9:54:26 PM

Since when is being a low life a crime?

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	The Facts..FRAUD
Date:	5/28/2021 9:58:09 PM

Are you really that ignorant of the fact that it is an accepted, not unlawful, practice for companies to treat profits, losses, and values differently for the tax man and others like their shareholders?  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Goofy the fascist judge, jury and executioner
Date:	5/29/2021 10:17:00 AM

So what?  A prosecutor can indict a ham sandwich.  Like I said, you are a fascist judge, jury and executioner because you detest Trump.  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Rhetorical question, right?
Date:	5/29/2021 10:21:34 AM

Of course Goofy doesn't understand anything that has to do with business and the real world.  He doesn't understand that taxable income and accrual income are two entirely different things.  He doesn't understand that there are tax deductible expenses that reduce tax liability but do not impact accrual income statements.  He doesn't understand how assets are valued for tax, loan and net worth purposes.  He literally does not know anything about business other than what he read in Forbes by some journalist suffering from TDS.

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	What I Do Know
Date:	5/29/2021 3:33:55 PM

It has nothing to do with my understanding of accounting. Rather, I am just posting what is the latest on Trump's possible criiminal activity.  You can post all you want...but the fact is a Grand Jury has been convened to investigate possible fraud by the Trump Companies.

Vance’s office has said in court filings it was investigating "possibly extensive and protracted criminal conduct" at the Trump Organization, including tax and insurance fraud and falsification of business records. One has to assume Trump maintained 2 sets of books. I  imagine that the lawyers in the DA's office  in Manhattan know the difference in accounting methods and fraud.

Your bitch is with the DA for trying to uncover Orange Man fraud...I am just the messenger. I guess the posters know more than the DA.

This ends this Thread.........

Name:	au67 -	Reply
Subject:	What I Do Know
Date:	5/30/2021 9:14:15 AM

"This ends this Thread........."

Thank you for your compassionate act of mercy upon the rest of the forum regulars. 

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	GFY Is On To Something
Date:	6/1/2021 9:07:02 AM (updated 6/1/2021 9:10:32 AM)

See previous post about GFY and fascism/banana republic/kangaroo courts.

It is a hunt for a crime to keep him from running for office again since they can not stop him any other way.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	What I Do Know
Date:	6/1/2021 9:16:06 AM (updated 6/1/2021 9:17:22 AM)

You do not get to be a dicktator and determine when a thread is closed, or are you attempting to deny us 1st amendment rights again like the good facism loving idiot you are.

Yes, the NY attorney's office who campaigned on specifically finding a crime to charge trump with and to keep looking till they find something to charge him with. So again no known crime - just suspicions and the hunt goes on.

Personally I am suspicious you can not be a alive and still be that dumb - maybe we should get a grand jury together to determine if you are in fact dead and soulless - or just a idiot.

Keep making the point kangaroo man - sadly you are making the opposit point you are trying to.