Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/25/2021 7:04:53 PM

But it came as news to me.  All the talk about Ivermectin as horse salve or whatever, I just learned that the cream known as Soolantra has been used by humans for years to treat a condition known as rosacea.  The generic name for Soolantra? Ivermectin.

Name:	Carlson -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/25/2021 7:23:27 PM

If folks here get sick horse paste will help but best call America's Frontline Physicians for a script of Ivermectin but first get the antibodies infusion.  Please save lives!  

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/25/2021 7:25:31 PM

Pushing that horse medicine again.  Get jabbed....conform!!!

Cause Fauci the liar said so

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/25/2021 7:30:56 PM

• The FDA has not authorized or approved ivermectin for use in preventing or treating COVID-19 in humans or animals. Ivermectin is approved for human use to treat infections caused by some parasitic worms and head lice and skin conditions like rosacea.

Name:	Carlson -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/25/2021 8:07:27 PM

Yes they have. NIH lists ivermectin as a treatment for Covid, very quietly.  About two weeks ago, and I provided the link ( I think on this site)

Name:	Carlson -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/25/2021 9:00:56 PM

“Early treatment is key to the successful treatment of Covid-19. 

Any doctor that provides timely care for Covid-19 is honoring their Hippocratic oath to their patients. 

Early treatment with zinc Ionophores (Quercetin, EGCG, Hcq, ivermectin) is proven to save lives. 

Successful early treatment of covid has exposed to the public that the cdc, nih, fda, and who have policies that killed 500000 innocent Americans. 

Why is it that scientifically proven and rigorously peer reviewed treatments vilified by the media?”

Dr. Vladimir Zev Zelenko MD

Get Dr. Zelenko’s protocol here ????

https://shortll.com/BestProtocol

https://shortll.com/BestProtocol

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/26/2021 8:46:36 AM (updated 10/26/2021 8:48:25 AM)

The inventors of Ivermectin won a Nobel Prize for its use in humans.  Interestingly, below is a graphic of COVID cases in Africa by country where some use Ivermectin on a widespread basis as a anti-parasitic and those that don't.  The difference in COVID deaths is startling.  This is exactly what they experienced in the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh where they are widely using Ivermectin as a prophylactic and early treatment. 

 I maintain that if an honest history of this pandemic is written the politics of favoring experimental gene therapies masquerading as a vaccine and the dishonest, evil calumny against effective treatments caused 75% more deaths than would have otherwise happened.  I have not been one to buy into the Big Pharma conspiracy theories but it is the only logical explanation.  Every one of them has a former FDA commissioner on their boards and every current one is looking for their pot of gold at the end of the rainbow so why not give Big Pharma what it wants.  And what put me over the top was the development of "new" treatment pill that does exactly what HCQ and Ivermectin do.....deliver zinc into the cells to prevent viral replication.

Name:	Carlson -	Reply
Subject:	MM welcome to the Ivermectin train
Date:	10/26/2021 9:07:29 AM

Love the map!

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	I've been on it for quite a while
Date:	10/26/2021 9:23:09 AM

I know so many people that got the ChiCom virus and not one of them that used Ivermectin required hospitalization.  Others that didn't ended up in the hospital with breathing problems.  While my population is low, it is in line with the results where Ivermectin is used en masse.  I am telling people that what has happened is genocide and whoever suppressed the use of effective treatments is guilty of murder.  Period.  Full stop.  And yes, I include Fauci in this list, not to mention the fact that we know he provided funding for gain of function research at the Wuhan lab and lied about it to Congress.

Name:	Lifer -	Reply
Subject:	I've been on it for quite a while
Date:	10/26/2021 9:46:17 AM

Kills millions and is celebrated, torture some puppies and he has to go.  

It's a twisted world we live in. 

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/26/2021 9:54:25 AM

I think that now that the numbers are starting to go down and the hysteria is waning, there will be a range of preventives and treatments.  I understand that Moderna is working on a combo COVID/Flu shot.  

I think it is a long jump for a skin condition treatment to a respiratory treatment.   I have been astounded by the number of people who have jumped on this particular "treatment", but at this point, I don't rule anything out.  

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/26/2021 10:41:55 AM

Anecdote that is just another data point:  I know a person who has used Soolantra (Ivermectin) for years.  That person has yet to come down with COVID 19.  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/26/2021 11:46:29 AM

I suggest you look a little more into this because your view is completely wrong about people suddenly jumping on this.  There were a bunch of studies going back long before COVID that demonstrated that medications like HCQ and Ivermectin had excellent anti-viral qualities. This isn't anything new. 

What is new is the FDA, NIH, WHO and other organizations making an unprecedented effort to attack long used and very safe drugs for purposes other than what they were originally approved for.  Typically they would not prevent its use as long as it has been proven safe for humans, which both have far more so than the vaccines.  In the past the concept was that while it may not help since it is safe there is no harm in trying....the kitchen sink approach.  For some reason this time they have gone absolutely crazy in preventing people from using HCQ and/or Ivermectin.  And like I said, the aha moment for me was when Merck and others announced their new wonder drug to treat COVID that does EXACTLY the same thing as HCQ and Ivermectin, at much higher cost....and profit for Big Pharma. 

The most benign explanation is that they are afraid that if there are cheap and effective treatments people will hesitate to get vaccinated.  And that's not terribly benign because how many people could have been saved before the vaccines were even available.  I saw a talk by an infectious disease doctor that he believed 75% could have been saved.  The second most benign explanation is that if there was an approved, effective treatment they would lose the emergency use authorization for the vaccines....and that's by law.  The least benign explanation is they are beholden to Big Pharma and preferred profits over saving lives.  I would have gone with explanations one and two until the new wonder drugs were being bantied about.  Now I go with the 3rd.  There is no other rational explanation for what they did......unless of course they reject all the new wonder drugs that do the same thing as HCQ and Ivermectin.....which I predict will not happen.  In fact they will approve them under the EUA process like the vaccines so the money starts to roll in as the vaccine revenue wanes.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/26/2021 11:58:03 AM

I know six or seven people that take Ivermectin, two for off-label uses associated with other diseases and the rest as a prophylactic.  None of them are vaccinated and none of them have gotten the virus.  Anecdotal but consistent with meta data from Africa and India.  Any drug that is FDA approved and marketed can be prescribed for off-label usage....until Ivermectin.   Hound and others have been lied to about this drug and for some reason won't believe their own eyes when they see such amazingly strong data that demonstrates its efficacy.  If I were vaccinated I would still make sure I have a treatment regiminen that includes Ivermectin with me at all times.  It won't hurt you and as the vaccines wear off it could be the difference between life and death.

Name:	Carlson -	Reply
Subject:	The reason is greed
Date:	10/26/2021 12:05:32 PM

And these evil people murdered 500,000 Americans!  And the vaccines are injuring and killing more Americans!  It is sad, I've been in FB jail for a month by posting the Ivermectin stories in India and Japan.  Evil is everywhere!

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/26/2021 9:41:06 PM

I confess I am skeptical about what companies do in "testing" things out in Africa and among the poor in India.  Why? Because people don't care about Afica or the poor in India as long as it is making $$$.  

When we see some peer reviewed studies, I'll pay attention.  

Name:	Carlson -	Reply
Subject:	Actually there are such research projects
Date:	10/26/2021 9:49:29 PM

I will find those as well as Japan.  Post before but try to find and post again.  But to question the African data is just disingenuous.  It includes one half a continent!

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/26/2021 9:56:55 PM

Martini, I have to say that I don't really care.  I am vaccinated, just got my booster, and I haven't gotten sick.  Now, I don't live a wildly social life, generally am not in big crowds of people, so it may be that I just don't get the exposure, and my experience is antedotal.  But the only people I know that were vaccinated and then got sick or died, had other comorbidities.  

I've been reading your posts for months and I'm sure you think you are right, but you don't have a medical degree, you are not in medical field and I don't take medical advice off the internet.  I'm happy and healthy, even if I'm crazy, even if I'm being taken advantage of by big pharma and the government and the medical community at large. 

Dr. Fauci is not a hero of mine.  He is a scientist with a perspective, which doesn't make him "righter", and more than Petraeus was right about what would work in Afganistan.  They have theories and sometimes they are right and sometimes they are wrong.  But they still put their pants on one leg at a time.  I think they know a lot more about the Wuhan lab and how this virus came about than they are letting anyone know.  They don't want to piss China off and they don't want to cause mass hysteria in the population, at least not about that.

Name:	Carlson -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/26/2021 10:02:51 PM

Mrs Hound.  Not only are your comments racist but also inappropriate.  Good for you to be vaccinated as I am but I will not take the boosters.  I will get the ivermectin tx pack and we shall see.  Finally I'm disappointed in your bias.

peace!  

Name:	MrHodja -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/26/2021 10:21:12 PM

What exactly is racist about her comments?  Please explain in detail.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/27/2021 7:57:36 AM

You may think my comments are racist, but it is true.  If you spent some time in the international community you would know this.  It's not based on race, it is based on the perceived value of Africa in the world - most of those countries have spent, now 70 or 80 years run by corrupt dictators, warlords, despots.  The population is largely uneducated.  Big Pharma has exploited the rural African population to experiment with drugs and no one stops them.  

In India, there is a cast system.  If you are low caste, I can assure you no one cares about you.  

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/27/2021 8:38:18 AM

Did you not see the clip of the FDA approval zoom.?  They were discussing approval of vax for kids.  One guy said basically "we won't know if it works until we try it!!!!!"  So let's approve it.

Welcome to Africa.  With this vax we are all one big experiment.

What do you call a conspiracy theory that turns out to be the truth?

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/27/2021 8:58:44 AM

You'll care if you get sick with Covid and find out the wonder vaccine doesn't protect you the way it was billed.  When you do let me know and I can point you to effective treatments by actual doctors who care more about the well being of their patients and less about getting their Medicare and Medicaid money.  What I believe is what I have read or been told by actual practicing doctors, virologists and vaccinologists and by actual scientific studies.  You can say what you want, but you believe what the govt tells you and can't think independently.  If you did, you would care greatly about the hundreds of thousands of people that have died needlessly in the U.S.  As for me, I care about that a lot.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/27/2021 9:04:52 AM

No you won't.  You will only believe what the govt tells you.  There are over 65 peer reviewed papers that demonstrate the effectiveness of Ivermectin as an anti-viral.  I could point you to a compendium but it would be a waste of time.

As for your crack about testing in India and Africa, you completely misunderstand the data.  There was no test of Ivermectin.  The countries in the middle part of the continent widely use Ivermectin as an anti-parasite medication.  The others do not.  And the data speaks for itself.  Those countries that use Ivermectin have a substantially lower death rate than those that don't.  Trust me, if this and the results from the state in India don't convince you no peer reviewed studies will. 

You are waiting for the govt to tell you it works and then you'll run out and get it.  Except that isn't going to happen.  They are going to approve the new drugs that cost way more and do the same thing.  I can think for myself.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Here's a list for you...
Date:	10/27/2021 9:40:29 AM

Bet you still won't believe it because the govt says not to.

Agarwal, A., Mukherjee, A., Kumar, G., Chatterjee, P., Bhatnagar, T., Malhotra, P., and Collaborators, P.T. (2020). Convalescent plasma in the management of moderate covid-19 in adults in India: open label phase II multicentre randomised controlled trial (PLACID Trial). BMJ 371, m3939. Aguirre-Chang, G. (2020). Post-Acute or prolonged COVID-19: treatment with ivermectin for patietns with persistent, or post-acute symptoms ResearchGate. Ahmed, S., Karim, M.M., Ross, A.G., Hossain, M.S., Clemens, J.D., Sumiya, M.K., Phru, C.S., Rahman, M., Zaman, K., and Somani, J. (2020). A five day course of ivermectin for the treatment of COVID-19 may reduce the duration of illness. International Journal of Infectious Diseases. Alam, M., R, M., Pf, G., Md, M.Z., S, S., and Ma, C. (2020). Ivermectin as Pre-exposure Prophylaxis for COVID 19 among Healthcare Providers in a Selected Tertiary Hospital in Dhaka An Observational Study. European Journal of Medical and Health Sciences. Anglemyer, A., Horvath, H.T., and Bero, L. (2014). Healthcare outcomes assessed with observational study designs compared with those assessed in randomized trials. Cochrane Database Syst Rev, MR000034. Arevalo, A.P., Pagotto, R., Porfido, J., Daghero, H., Segovia, M., Yamasaki, K., Varela, B., Hill, M., Verdes, J.M., and Vega, M.D. (2020). Ivermectin reduces coronavirus infection in vivo: a mouse experimental model. bioRxiv. Atkinson, S.C., Audsley, M.D., Lieu, K.G., Marsh, G.A., Thomas, D.R., Heaton, S.M., Paxman, J.J., Wagstaff, K.M., Buckle, A.M., Moseley, G.W., Jans, D.A., and Borg, N.A. (2018). Recognition by host nuclear transport proteins drives disorder-to-order transition in Hendra virus V. Scientific Reports 8, 358. Babalola, O.E., Bode, C.O., Ajayi, A.A., Alakaloko, F.M., Akase, I.E., Otrofanowei, E., Salu, O.B., Adeyemo, W.L., Ademuyiwa, A.O., and Omilabu, S.A. Ivermectin shows clinical benefits in mild to moderate Covid19 disease: A randomised controlled double blind dose response study in Lagos. medRxiv, 2021.2001. 2005.21249131. Behera, P., Patro, B.K., Singh, A.K., Chandanshive, P.D., Ravikumar, S., Pradhan, S.K., Pentapati, S.S.K., Batmanabane, G., Padhy, B.M., and Bal, S. (2020). Role of ivermectin in the prevention of COVID-19 infection among healthcare workers in India: A matched case-control study. medRxiv. Bernigaud, C., Guillemot, D., Ahmed-Belkacem, A., Grimaldi-Bensouda, L., Lespine, A., Berry, F., Softic, L., Chenost, C., DoPham, G., and Giraudeau, B. (Year). "Bénéfice de l’ivermectine: de la gale à la COVID-19, un exemple de sérendipité", in: Annales de Dermatologie et de Vénéréologie: Elsevier), A194. Bray, M., Rayner, C., Noël, F., Jans, D., and Wagstaff, K. (2020). Ivermectin and COVID-19: a report in Antiviral Research, widespread interest, an FDA warning, two letters to the editor and the authors' responses. Antiviral Research. Budhiraja, S., Soni, A., Jha, V., Indrayan, A., Dewan, A., Singh, O., Singh, Y., Chugh, I., Arora, V., and Pandey, R. (2020). Clinical Profile of First 1000 COVID-19 Cases Admitted at Tertiary Care Hospitals and the Correlates of their Mortality: An Indian Experience. medRxiv. Cadegiani, F.A., Goren, A., Wambier, C.G., and Mccoy, J. (2020). Early COVID-19 Therapy with Azithromycin Plus Nitazoxanide, Ivermectin or Hydroxychloroquine in Outpatient Settings Significantly Reduced Symptoms Compared to Known Outcomes in Untreated Patients. medRxiv. Callard, F., and Perego, E. (2020). How and why patients made Long Covid. Social Science & Medicine, 113426. Caly, L., Druce, J.D., Catton, M.G., Jans, D.A., and Wagstaff, K.M. (2020a). The FDA-approved drug ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro. Antiviral Res 178, 104787. Review of the Emerging Evidence Supporting the Efficacy of Ivermectin in the Prophylaxis and Treatment of COVID-19 [FLCCC Alliance; updated Jan 16, 2021] 27 / 30 www.flccc.net Caly, L., Druce, J.D., Catton, M.G., Jans, D.A., and Wagstaff, K.M. (2020b). The FDA-approved drug ivermectin inhibits the replication of SARS-CoV-2 in vitro. Antiviral Research 178, 104787. Carvallo, H.E., Hirsch, R.R., and Farinella, M.E. (2020a). Safety and Efficacy of the combined use of ivermectin, dexamethasone, enoxaparin and aspirin against COVID-19. medRxiv. Carvallo, H.E., Roberto, H., Psaltis, A., and Veronica, C. (2020b). Study of the Efficacy and Safety of Topical Ivermectin+ Iota-Carrageenan in the Prophylaxis against COVID-19 in Health Personnel. Chaccour, C., Casellas, A., Blanco-Di Matteo, A., Pineda, I., Fernandez-Montero, A., Castillo, P.R., Richardson, M.-A., Mateos, M.R., Jordan-Iborra, C., and Brew, J. (2020). The effect of early treatment with ivermectin on viral load, symptoms and humoral response in patients with mild COVID-19: a pilot, double-blind, placebo-controlled, randomized clinical trial. Chachar, A.Z.K., Khan, K.A., Asif, M., Tanveer, K., Khaqan, A., and Basri, R. (2020). Effectiveness of Ivermectin in SARSCoV-2/COVID-19 Patients. International Journal of Sciences 9, 31-35. Chala (2020). Prophylaxis Covid-19 in Healthcare Agents by Intensive Treatment With Ivermectin and Iota-carrageenan (Ivercar-Tuc). ClinicalTrials.gov NCT04701710. Chamie, J. (2020). Real-World Evidence: The Case of Peru. Causality between Ivermectin and COVID-19 Infection Fatality Rate. Chandler, R.E. (2018). Serious neurological adverse events after ivermectin—do they occur beyond the indication of onchocerciasis? The American journal of tropical medicine and hygiene 98, 382-388. Chowdhury, A.T.M.M., Shahbaz, M., Karim, M.R., Islam, J., Guo, D., and He, S. (2020). A Randomized Trial of IvermectinDoxycycline and Hydroxychloroquine-Azithromycin therapy on COVID19 patients. Ci, X., Li, H., Yu, Q., Zhang, X., Yu, L., Chen, N., Song, Y., and Deng, X. (2009). Avermectin exerts anti-inflammatory effect by downregulating the nuclear transcription factor kappa-B and mitogen-activated protein kinase activation pathway. Fundam Clin Pharmacol 23, 449-455. Consortium, W.S.T. (2020). Repurposed antiviral drugs for COVID-19—interim WHO SOLIDARITY trial results. medRxiv. Preprint posted online 15. Crump, A., and Omura, S. (2011). Ivermectin,‘wonder drug’from Japan: the human use perspective. Proceedings of the Japan Academy, Series B 87, 13-28. Dahabreh, I.J., Sheldrick, R.C., Paulus, J.K., Chung, M., Varvarigou, V., Jafri, H., Rassen, J.A., Trikalinos, T.A., and Kitsios, G.D. (2012). Do observational studies using propensity score methods agree with randomized trials? A systematic comparison of studies on acute coronary syndromes. European Heart Journal 33, 1893-1901. Dasgupta J, S.U., Bakshi a, Dasgupta a, Manna K, Saha, C De, Rk, Mukhopadhyay S, Bhattacharyya Np (2020). Nsp7 and Spike Glycoprotein of SARS-CoV-2 Are Envisaged as Potential Targets of Vitamin D and Ivermectin. Preprints. Dayer, M.R. (2020). Coronavirus (2019-nCoV) Deactivation via Spike Glycoprotein Shielding by Old Drugs, Bioinformatic Study. De Melo, G.D., Lazarini, F., Larrous, F., Feige, L., Kergoat, L., Marchio, A., Pineau, P., Lecuit, M., Lledo, P.-M., Changeux, J.- P., and Bourhy, H. (2020). Anti-COVID-19 efficacy of ivermectin in the golden hamster. bioRxiv, 2020.2011.2021.392639. Elgazzar, A., Hany, B., Youssef, S.A., Hafez, M., and Moussa, H. (2020). Efficacy and Safety of Ivermectin for Treatment and prophylaxis of COVID-19 Pandemic. Entrenas Castillo, M., Entrenas Costa, L.M., Vaquero Barrios, J.M., Alcala Diaz, J.F., Lopez Miranda, J., Bouillon, R., and Quesada Gomez, J.M. (2020). "Effect of calcifediol treatment and best available therapy versus best available therapy on intensive care unit admission and mortality among patients hospitalized for COVID-19: A pilot randomized clinical study". J Steroid Biochem Mol Biol 203, 105751. Espitia-Hernandez, G., Munguia, L., Diaz-Chiguer, D., Lopez-Elizalde, R., and Jimenez-Ponce, F. (2020). Effects of Ivermectin-azithromycin-cholecalciferol combined therapy on COVID-19 infected patients: a proof of concept study. Gardon, J., Gardon-Wendel, N., Demanga, N., Kamgno, J., Chippaux, J.-P., and Boussinesq, M. (1997). Serious reactions after mass treatment of onchocerciasis with ivermectin in an area endemic for Loa loa infection. The Lancet 350, 18-22. Gorial, F.I., Mashhadani, S., Sayaly, H.M., Dakhil, B.D., Almashhadani, M.M., Aljabory, A.M., Abbas, Hassan M, Ghanim, M., and Rasheed, J.I. (2020). Effectiveness of Ivermectin as add-on Therapy in COVID-19 Management (Pilot Trial). medRxiv. Review of the Emerging Evidence Supporting the Efficacy of Ivermectin in the Prophylaxis and Treatment of COVID-19 [FLCCC Alliance; updated Jan 16, 2021] 28 / 30 www.flccc.net Götz, V., Magar, L., Dornfeld, D., Giese, S., Pohlmann, A., Höper, D., Kong, B.-W., Jans, D.A., Beer, M., Haller, O., and Schwemmle, M. (2016). Influenza A viruses escape from MxA restriction at the expense of efficient nuclear vRNP import. Scientific Reports 6, 23138. Guzzo, C., Furtek, C., Porras, A., Chen, C., Tipping, R., Clineschmidt, C., Sciberras, D., Hsieh, J., and Lasseter, K. (2002). Safety, Tolerability, and Pharmacokinetics of Escalating High Doses of Ivermectin in Healthy Adult Subjects. Journal of clinical pharmacology 42, 1122-1133. Hashim, H.A., Maulood, M.F., Rasheed, A.M., Fatak, D.F., Kabah, K.K., and Abdulamir, A.S. (2020). Controlled randomized clinical trial on using Ivermectin with Doxycycline for treating COVID-19 patients in Baghdad, Iraq. medRxiv. Hellwig, M.D., and Maia, A. (2020). A COVID-19 Prophylaxis? Lower incidence associated with prophylactic administration of Ivermectin. Int J Antimicrob Agents, 106248. Hermine, O., Mariette, X., Tharaux, P.L., Resche-Rigon, M., Porcher, R., Ravaud, P., and Group, C.-C. (2020). Effect of Tocilizumab vs Usual Care in Adults Hospitalized With COVID-19 and Moderate or Severe Pneumonia: A Randomized Clinical Trial. JAMA Intern Med. Horby, P., Lim, W.S., Emberson, J.R., Mafham, M., Bell, J.L., Linsell, L., Staplin, N., Brightling, C., Ustianowski, A., and Elmahi, E. (2020). Dexamethasone in hospitalized patients with Covid-19-preliminary report. The New England journal of medicine. Hussien, M.A., and Abdelaziz, A.E. (2020). Molecular docking suggests repurposing of brincidofovir as a potential drug targeting SARS-CoV-2 ACE2 receptor and main protease. Network Modeling Analysis in Health Informatics and Bioinformatics 9, 1-18. Jehi, L., Ji, X., Milinovich, A., Erzurum, S., Rubin, B.P., Gordon, S., Young, J.B., and Kattan, M.W. (2020). Individualizing Risk Prediction for Positive Coronavirus Disease 2019 Testing: Results From 11,672 Patients. Chest 158, 1364-1375. Kalfas, S., Visvanathan, K., Chan, K., and Drago, J. (2020). THE THERAPEUTIC POTENTIAL OF IVERMECTIN FOR COVID-19: A REVIEW OF MECHANISMS AND EVIDENCE. medRxiv. Khan, M.S.I., Khan, M.S.I., Debnath, C.R., Nath, P.N., Mahtab, M.A., Nabeka, H., Matsuda, S., and Akbar, S.M.F. (2020). Ivermectin Treatment May Improve the Prognosis of Patients With COVID-19. Archivos de Bronconeumología. King, C.R., Tessier, T.M., Dodge, M.J., Weinberg, J.B., and Mymryk, J.S. (2020). Inhibition of Human Adenovirus Replication by the Importin α/β1 Nuclear Import Inhibitor Ivermectin. Journal of Virology 94. Kircik, L.H., Del Rosso, J.Q., Layton, A.M., and Schauber, J. (2016). Over 25 Years of Clinical Experience With Ivermectin: An Overview of Safety for an Increasing Number of Indications. Journal of drugs in dermatology : JDD 15, 325-332. Kitsios, G.D., Dahabreh, I.J., Callahan, S., Paulus, J.K., Campagna, A.C., and Dargin, J.M. (2015). Can We Trust Observational Studies Using Propensity Scores in the Critical Care Literature? A Systematic Comparison With Randomized Clinical Trials. Crit Care Med 43, 1870-1879. Kory, P., Meduri, G.U., Iglesias, J., Varon, J., and Marik, P.E. (2020). Clinical and Scientific Rationale for the “MATH+” Hospital Treatment Protocol for COVID-19. Journal of Intensive Care Medicine. Lehrer, S., and Rheinstein, P.H. (2020). Ivermectin Docks to the SARS-CoV-2 Spike Receptor-binding Domain Attached to ACE2. In Vivo 34, 3023-3026. Li, Y., Chen, M., Cao, H., Zhu, Y., Zheng, J., and Zhou, H. (2013). Extraordinary GU-rich single-strand RNA identified from SARS coronavirus contributes an excessive innate immune response. Microbes Infect 15, 88-95. Lonjon, G., Boutron, I., Trinquart, L., Ahmad, N., Aim, F., Nizard, R., and Ravaud, P. (2014). Comparison of treatment effect estimates from prospective nonrandomized studies with propensity score analysis and randomized controlled trials of surgical procedures. Ann Surg 259, 18-25. Lv, C., Liu, W., Wang, B., Dang, R., Qiu, L., Ren, J., Yan, C., Yang, Z., and Wang, X. (2018). Ivermectin inhibits DNA polymerase UL42 of pseudorabies virus entrance into the nucleus and proliferation of the virus in vitro and vivo. Antiviral Research 159, 55-62. Mahmud, R. (2020). A Randomized, Double-Blind Placebo Controlled Clinical Trial of Ivermectin plus Doxycycline for the Treatment of Confirmed Covid-19 Infection. Marik, P.E., Kory, P., Varon, J., Iglesias, J., and Meduri, G.U. (2020). MATH+ protocol for the treatment of SARS-CoV-2 infection: the scientific rationale. Expert Review of Anti-infective Therapy, 1-7. Mastrangelo, E., Pezzullo, M., De Burghgraeve, T., Kaptein, S., Pastorino, B., Dallmeier, K., De Lamballerie, X., Neyts, J., Hanson, A.M., Frick, D.N., Bolognesi, M., and Milani, M. (2012). Ivermectin is a potent inhibitor of flavivirus replication specifically targeting NS3 helicase activity: new prospects for an old drug. Journal of Antimicrobial Chemotherapy 67, 1884-1894. Review of the Emerging Evidence Supporting the Efficacy of Ivermectin in the Prophylaxis and Treatment of COVID-19 [FLCCC Alliance; updated Jan 16, 2021] 29 / 30 www.flccc.net Maurya, D.K. (2020). A combination of ivermectin and doxycycline possibly blocks the viral entry and modulate the innate immune response in COVID-19 patients. Morgenstern, J., Redondo, J.N., De Leon, A., Canela, J.M., Torres, N., Tavares, J., Minaya, M., Lopez, O., Placido, A.M., and Castillo, A. (2020). The use of compassionate Ivermectin in the management of symptomatic outpatients and hospitalized patients with clinical diagnosis of COVID-19 at the Medical Center Bournigal and the Medical Center Punta Cana, Rescue Group, Dominican Republic, from may 1 to august 10, 2020. medRxiv. Nadkarni, G.N., Lala, A., Bagiella, E., Chang, H.L., Moreno, P.R., Pujadas, E., Arvind, V., Bose, S., Charney, A.W., Chen, M.D., Cordon-Cardo, C., Dunn, A.S., Farkouh, M.E., Glicksberg, B.S., Kia, A., Kohli-Seth, R., Levin, M.A., Timsina, P., Zhao, S., Fayad, Z.A., and Fuster, V. (2020). Anticoagulation, Bleeding, Mortality, and Pathology in Hospitalized Patients With COVID-19. J Am Coll Cardiol 76, 1815-1826. Nallusamy, S., Mannu, J., Ravikumar, C., Angamuthu, K., Nathan, B., Nachimuthu, K., Ramasamy, G., Muthurajan, R., Subbarayalu, M., and Neelakandan, K. (2020). Shortlisting Phytochemicals Exhibiting Inhibitory Activity against Major Proteins of SARS-CoV-2 through Virtual Screening. Niaee, M.S., Gheibi, N., Namdar, P., Allami, A., Zolghadr, L., Javadi, A., Karampour, A., Varnaseri, M., Bizhani, B., and Cheraghi, F. (2020). Ivermectin as an adjunct treatment for hospitalized adult COVID-19 patients: A randomized multi-center clinical trial. Perera, R.A., Tso, E., Tsang, O.T., Tsang, D.N., Fung, K., Leung, Y.W., Chin, A.W., Chu, D.K., Cheung, S.M., and Poon, L.L. (2020). SARS-CoV-2 virus culture from the upper respiratory tract: Correlation with viral load, subgenomic viral RNA and duration of illness. MedRXiv. Podder, C.S., Chowdhury, N., Sina, M.I., and Haque, W. (2020). Outcome of ivermectin treated mild to moderate COVID19 cases: a single-centre, open-label, randomised controlled study. IMC J. Med. Sci 14. Polak, S.B., Van Gool, I.C., Cohen, D., Von Der Thusen, J.H., and Van Paassen, J. (2020). A systematic review of pathological findings in COVID-19: a pathophysiological timeline and possible mechanisms of disease progression. Mod Pathol 33, 2128-2138. Portmann-Baracco, A., Bryce-Alberti, M., and Accinelli, R.A. (2020). Antiviral and Anti-Inflammatory Properties of Ivermectin and Its Potential Use in Covid-19. Arch Bronconeumol. Rajter, J.C., Sherman, M.S., Fatteh, N., Vogel, F., Sacks, J., and Rajter, J.J. (2020). Use of Ivermectin is Associated with Lower Mortality in Hospitalized Patients with COVID-19 (ICON study). Chest. Ravikirti, Roy, R., Pattadar, C., Raj, R., Agarwal, N., Biswas, B., Majhi, P.K., Rai, D.K., Shyama, Kumar, A., and Sarfaraz, A. (2021). Ivermectin as a potential treatment for mild to moderate COVID-19 – A double blind randomized placebo-controlled trial. medRxiv, 2021.2001.2005.21249310. Robin, R.C., Alam, R.F., Saber, S., Bhiuyan, E., Murshed, R., and Alam, M.T. (2020). A Case Series of 100 COVID-19 Positive Patients Treated with Combination of Ivermectin and Doxycycline. Journal of Bangladesh College of Physicians and Surgeons, 10-15. Rodriguez-Nava, G., Trelles-Garcia, D.P., Yanez-Bello, M.A., Chung, C.W., Trelles-Garcia, V.P., and Friedman, H.J. (2020). Atorvastatin associated with decreased hazard for death in COVID-19 patients admitted to an ICU: a retrospective cohort study. Crit Care 24, 429. Rubin, R. (2020). As Their Numbers Grow, COVID-19 “Long Haulers” Stump Experts. JAMA 324, 1381-1383. Salvarani, C., Dolci, G., Massari, M., Merlo, D.F., Cavuto, S., Savoldi, L., Bruzzi, P., Boni, F., Braglia, L., Turra, C., Ballerini, P.F., Sciascia, R., Zammarchi, L., Para, O., Scotton, P.G., Inojosa, W.O., Ravagnani, V., Salerno, N.D., Sainaghi, P.P., Brignone, A., Codeluppi, M., Teopompi, E., Milesi, M., Bertomoro, P., Claudio, N., Salio, M., Falcone, M., Cenderello, G., Donghi, L., Del Bono, V., Colombelli, P.L., Angheben, A., Passaro, A., Secondo, G., Pascale, R., Piazza, I., Facciolongo, N., Costantini, M., and Group, R.-T.-C.-S. (2020). Effect of Tocilizumab vs Standard Care on Clinical Worsening in Patients Hospitalized With COVID-19 Pneumonia: A Randomized Clinical Trial. JAMA Intern Med. Scheim, D. (2020). "From Cold to Killer: How SARS-CoV-2 Evolved without Hemagglutinin Esterase to Agglutinate, Then Clot Blood Cells in Pulmonary and Systemic Microvasculature". SSRN). Schmith, V.D., Zhou, J., and Lohmer, L.R. (2020). The Approved Dose of Ivermectin Alone is not the Ideal Dose for the Treatment of COVID-19. Clinical Pharmacology & Therapeutics. Sen Gupta, P.S., Biswal, S., Panda, S.K., Ray, A.K., and Rana, M.K. (2020). Binding mechanism and structural insights into the identified protein target of COVID-19 and importin-alpha with in-vitro effective drug ivermectin. J Biomol Struct Dyn, 1-10. Review of the Emerging Evidence Supporting the Efficacy of Ivermectin in the Prophylaxis and Treatment of COVID-19 [FLCCC Alliance; updated Jan 16, 2021] 30 / 30 www.flccc.net Shouman, W. (2020). Use of Ivermectin as a Prophylactic Option in Asymptomatic Family Close Contact for Patient with COVID-19. Clincal Trials.gov. Siegelman, J.N. (2020). Reflections of a COVID-19 Long Hauler. JAMA. Soto-Becerra, P., Culquichicón, C., Hurtado-Roca, Y., and Araujo-Castillo, R.V. (2020). Real-world effectiveness of hydroxychloroquine, azithromycin, and ivermectin among hospitalized COVID-19 patients: results of a target trial emulation using observational data from a nationwide healthcare system in Peru. Azithromycin, and Ivermectin Among Hospitalized COVID-19 Patients: Results of a Target Trial Emulation Using Observational Data from a Nationwide Healthcare System in Peru. Sparsa, A., Bonnetblanc, J., Peyrot, I., Loustaud-Ratti, V., Vidal, E., and Bedane, C. (Year). "Systemic adverse reactions with ivermectin treatment of scabies", in: Annales de Dermatologie et de Venereologie), 784-787. Spoorthi V, S.S. (2020). Utility of Ivermectin and Doxycycline combination for the treatment of SARS-CoV2. International Archives of Integrated Medicine 7, 177-182. Suravajhala, R., Parashar, A., Malik, B., Nagaraj, A.V., Padmanaban, G., Kishor, P.K., Polavarapu, R., and Suravajhala, P. (2020). Comparative Docking Studies on Curcumin with COVID-19 Proteins. Swargiary, A. (2020). Ivermectin as a promising RNA-dependent RNA polymerase inhibitor and a therapeutic drug against SARS-CoV2: Evidence from in silico studies. Tambo, E., Khater, E.I., Chen, J.H., Bergquist, R., and Zhou, X.N. Nobel prize for the artemisinin and ivermectin discoveries: a great boost towards elimination of the global infectious diseases of poverty. Tay, M.Y.F., Fraser, J.E., Chan, W.K.K., Moreland, N.J., Rathore, A.P., Wang, C., Vasudevan, S.G., and Jans, D.A. (2013). Nuclear localization of dengue virus (DENV) 1–4 non-structural protein 5; protection against all 4 DENV serotypes by the inhibitor Ivermectin. Antiviral Research 99, 301-306. Varghese, F.S., Kaukinen, P., Gläsker, S., Bespalov, M., Hanski, L., Wennerberg, K., Kümmerer, B.M., and Ahola, T. (2016). Discovery of berberine, abamectin and ivermectin as antivirals against chikungunya and other alphaviruses. Antiviral Research 126, 117-124. Veit, O., Beck, B., Steuerwald, M., and Hatz, C. (2006). First case of ivermectin-induced severe hepatitis. Transactions of the Royal Society of Tropical Medicine and Hygiene 100, 795-797. Wagstaff, Kylie m., Sivakumaran, H., Heaton, Steven m., Harrich, D., and Jans, David a. (2012). Ivermectin is a specific inhibitor of importin α/β-mediated nuclear import able to inhibit replication of HIV-1 and dengue virus. Biochemical Journal 443, 851-856. Yang, S.N.Y., Atkinson, S.C., Wang, C., Lee, A., Bogoyevitch, M.A., Borg, N.A., and Jans, D.A. (2020). The broad spectrum antiviral ivermectin targets the host nuclear transport importin α/β1 heterodimer. Antiviral Research 177, 104760. Young, B.E., Ong, S.W., Ng, L.F., Anderson, D.E., Chia, W.N., Chia, P.Y., Ang, L.W., Mak, T.-M., Kalimuddin, S., and Chai, L.Y.A. (2020). Viral dynamics and immune correlates of COVID-19 disease severity. Clinical infectious diseases: an official publication of the Infectious Diseases Society of America. Zhang, J., Rao, X., Li, Y., Zhu, Y., Liu, F., Guo, G., Luo, G., Meng, Z., De Backer, D., and Xiang, H. (2020a). High-dose vitamin C infusion for the treatment of critically ill COVID-19. Zhang, X., Song, Y., Ci, X., An, N., Ju, Y., Li, H., Wang, X., Han, C., Cui, J., and Deng, X. (2008). Ivermectin inhibits LPSinduced production of inflammatory cytokines and improves LPS-induced survival in mice. Inflamm Res 57, 524- 529. Zhang, X., Song, Y., Xiong, H., Ci, X., Li, H., Yu, L., Zhang, L., and Deng, X. (2009). Inhibitory effects of ivermectin on nitric oxide and prostaglandin E2 production in LPS-stimulated RAW 264.7 macrophages. Int Immunopharmacol 9, 354-359. Zhang, X.-J., Qin, J.-J., Cheng, X., Shen, L., Zhao, Y.-C., Yuan, Y., Lei, F., Chen, M.-M., Yang, H., and Bai, L. (2020b). Inhospital use of statins is associated with a reduced risk of mortality among individuals with COVID-19. Cell metabolism 32, 176-187. e174.

Name:	Buteye -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/27/2021 1:20:57 PM

What is the best way to pursue getting access to Ivermectin? Do you need a "prescription" from a doctor or some other guidelines that will prescribe how to use it in the treatment of Covid 19?

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/27/2021 1:30:50 PM

You will need a prescription and I can tell you a lot of the big box pharmacies are not willing to fill it if the doctor puts down Covid.  I got mine from Publix early on.  First you have to find a doctor that will prescribe it.  Most that accept Medicare and Medicaid won't because they get persecuted by the government....in essence they can't get any reimbursement from those agencies for a period of time if they prescribe it.  That is how evil our goverment is.  Then once you have a prescription you'll need to find a pharmacy willing to fill it.  If you have any issues I would go to the website below for other options to get a prescription.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/

As for treatment stratagies go to the website below for a complete regimen from initial symptoms to hospitalization.  These doctors have been very successful with treating Covid and several people I know who have followed it recovered relatively quickly.  The key is to get the Ivermectin going early to reduce viral loads.

https://covid19criticalcare.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/11/FLCCC-Alliance-I-MASKplus-Protocol-ENGLISH.pdf

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/27/2021 7:01:55 PM

As I said to you before, you do you.  If you want to swallow the stuff by the gallon, good for you and have at it.  I wish you well.  You read your studies - and I'm sure you will discount the ones tht don't support your ideas - and then post here about how right you are.  It appearas you have an audience here.  

As I have mentioned before, I take medical advice from my doctor, not the internet. 

As far as Africa, I was not speaking only of COVID.  Big Pharma has been testing new drugs and new treatments there for decades.  Some work and some don't.  Those that live in rural areas without much medical facilities - people with little education, are subject to companies without scruples, worldwide.  So I suspect, although I don't have any facts to prove it. that is what has been done with COVID.  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/28/2021 9:14:14 AM

Nope.  I'll follow the prescription that my doctor gave me which is the same as the protocol from the FLCCC adn was filled by my local Publix pharamacy.  And I would do that regardless of my vax status.  Your crack about how I take it was meant to denigrate the medicine and failed miserably.

I'm sorry but your point about Africa, which you used to dismiss the compelling data whether you want to admit it or not, has nothing to do with this.  It has nothing to do with testing of anything.  Ivermectin is FDA approved and one of WHO's essential medicines.  It is widely used in countries located in the central portion of the African continent and not widely used in the northern and southern countries in Africa.  And the death rates from Covid are dramatically lower in those countries that use Ivermectin on a widespread basis.  That is a fact-based assertion that can only be refuted if the data from the entire continent of Africa is garbage.  But what they are seeing there is EXACTLY what was seen in the Indian state of Uttar Pradesh with a population of more than 220M.

Your continued denigration of Ivermectin is not based on sound science and is at odds with overwhelming evidence that it can be one important aspect of successfully treating a viral infection.  It can make the difference between a quick recovery and being hospitalized and worse.  I just don't understand people like you.  Why would you not embrace any possible treatment, especially one that is cheap and very safe for humans?  Worst case is it doesn't help and you wasted a few dollars.  But for millions, it has been a lifesaver.

Name:	Lighthouse -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/28/2021 9:47:55 AM

EXCELLENT MM.  Thanks

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/28/2021 10:43:27 AM

If you read my post, you would know that I don't discount it and as I told you, if you and others believe in it, then swallow it by the gallon.  You criticize me for not embracing it, yet you contrinue to reject the proven evidence that the vaccine works for most of us.  It saves lives.  And at the end of the day, I'm in favor of anything that saves lives.  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/28/2021 11:45:31 AM

Two responses. 

First, why do you keep saying swallow it by the gallons?  That's pretty insulting given no one is advocating something that stupid.  How would you feel if I told you to get 20 vax shots every day since you love them so much?  I assume you are following your doctor's guidance as am I.  Comments like that are at odds with your claim that you aren't against Ivermectin. 

Second, when have I ever said the vaccines don't provide some protection?  In fact, I have stated repeatedly that those over age 65 and younger people with one or more co-morbidities should absolutely get the vaccine.  It has definitely been shown to reduce symptoms, hospitalizations and deaths.  What I am advocating is the use of effective treatments as well as part of an overall pandemic mitigation plan versus the govt's vaccine only approach.  Why that isn't reasonable is beyond me.

Name:	Carlson -	Reply
Subject:	Her pony died obviously
Date:	10/28/2021 2:10:10 PM

She has gone off the rails on this subject.  No need to answer her anymore.

im vaccinated but probably would not now based on the cdc website on adverse reactions to the vaccine.  So my plan is the acquire the Ivermectin treatment kit and keep it ready at the house if I get the Covid.  Just 5 day dosage but requires early intervention.   Also I'll try the antibody infusion if available thru my doc.  The research is clear.

https://www.c19science.info/

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Her pony died obviously
Date:	10/28/2021 2:12:45 PM

If the vaccine is the end of it all - why are people stil dying?

How many died under Trump before there was a vax vs how many died since the vax rate is as high as it is?

Name:	lakngulf -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/28/2021 2:18:52 PM

The "by the gallon" remark speaks loudly.

Name:	au67 -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/28/2021 2:29:52 PM

Hound has had a "by the gallon" attitude on many subjects since being on the forum.  Disagreement is not well received.  Administrator privilege days were quite revealing.  

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	That is a critical question
Date:	10/28/2021 3:03:12 PM

The answer of course is the Delta variant.  And why do we have a single, dominant, more transmissive and deadly variant rather than what typically happens with a new coronavirus?  It's because of the mass vaccines and how viruses mutate.  Dr. Geert Vanden Bossche and Dr Malone both expressed concern early on that this could happen and here we are.  We should have 8 to 10 variants right now with none being dominant.  What we are seeing is highly unusual and can likely only be explained by the mass vaccinations.  In a warped sort of way, the vaccinated are a grave risk to the unvaccinated but if the unvaccinated join the ranks of the vaccinated then we will likely see other dominant variants in the fall that the vaccines may not protect them from.  We should have stopped the vaccines with the elderly and health compromised and let nature take its course so we would have some hope for herd immunity.  It's working very well in Sweden as opposed to Israel where it is a disaster.

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Her pony died obviously
Date:	10/28/2021 3:23:05 PM

You're probably right.  I still don't get it.  Vaxxed or not I would have an early treatment regimen on hand in case I was infected.  Neither Ivermectin nor HCQ will harm you and may make the difference in avoiding a serious infection.  To solely rely on the vaccines, even with boosters, is a fool's errand as we are seeing in highly vaxxed countries and states.  Let young people develop herd immunity and protect the elderly and health compromised with vaccines and use all the available treatment tools if you get infected.  To me that's simple common sense but for some it is heresy because the FDA, CDC, Dr. Fauci, et al have not given them those marching orders.  I honestly believe that if Fauci told people to stand on their heads and rub their belly to get rid of Covid they would do it.  Given the track record of this yahoo, CDC, NIH and WHO it's a wonder anyone believes anything they say....but they sure do and the devotion is almost cult like.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	That is a critical question
Date:	10/28/2021 3:28:50 PM (updated 10/28/2021 3:49:45 PM)

And they know it is the delta killing people because they are genetically testing the virus so that they know 100% is was delta and not other strains? 

Again we just take their word that it is the delta killing people and not a half a$$ vax, because the government would never lie to us - that is the one thing we are sure of /sarcasm off.

Joe and in reality all politicians/government are full of it.  Trump said he would get Mexico to pay for a wall and it was wall to wall coverage for 4 years, and the national politburo news stations ran lie counters. 

Dementia Joe the Pedo says he will cure covid and cancer and its well OK, Joe said it so it must be true - and the people on this site who screamed about lying for years do not give a peep.

It was around 60 per for herd immunity, then 70, now it has to be 100% or everyone will die because of that one person of there who does not have Covid but will infect all those vaxxed people.

Sorry but the math adds up about as well as the BBB = zero dollars fully paid for horse pucky.

Just saw this 

https://www.irishtimes.com/news/health/waterford-city-district-has-state-s-highest-rate-of-covid-19-infections-1.4707344

Waterford city has one of the Ireland’s highest rates of vaccination against Covid-19, but one of its electoral areas has emerged as the place with the highest rate of Covid-19 infection in the State.

The city’s south electoral area has a 14-day incidence rate of 1,486 cases per 100,000 of the population, three times the national average which stands at 493 infections per 100,000 people.

The adjacent electoral area of Tramore-Waterford City West has a 14-day rate of 1,121 per 100,000, according to the latest weekly figures published by the Health Service Executive’s Health Protection Surveillance Centre.

Waterford has the highest rate of vaccination in the country with 99.7 per cent of adults over the age of 18 (as registered in the last census) fully vaccinated. The county has gone from having one of the lowest rates of Covid-19 infection in Ireland to one of the highest.

Damn that .3 % of the population that is unvaxxed that has to be republican, uneducated Trump voting Delta version covid carriers from Ireland that are infecting the other 1500 per 100,000 or maybe its just those 0-18 year old unvaxxed kids.  Next maybe they can blame the unvaxxed fetuses that are spreading it - that way they can peddle higher abortion rates so your baby bump dont kill grandma.

Only thing that Covid has help reinforce to me is that the government is evil period, they have no damn idea what the hell they are doing and 99% of the time are trying to fix a problem that they created to start with.

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/28/2021 9:34:34 PM

No my pony didn't die.  Since some of you are such big advocates this treatment and believe so strongly it it, I figured your attitude is more is better.  So take it.  You know MM, sometimes you play the victim so well to make other seem villianous.  But I got your number long ago.  Sometimes we agree and sometimes we don't and you can't stand it that you can't stomp me into submission on this one topic so near and dear to your heart.  One would think you had stock in the company.  

AU-67 - Your snarky comment says a lot more about you than it does about me.  You are a bitter old man, and I am light years ahead of you.  Had your number from the first time I met you. 

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/28/2021 9:54:26 PM

I just know know I've won the argument when you have to resort to silly exaggerations. You said there was no proof Ivermectin works. I provided a long list of papers. Your response was to suggest we take it by the gallon. Childish.  I literally have zero idea why you think you've got my number or whatever you said. I'm as transparent as can be. I think independently using facts, logic and reason. I do my own research and think critically about what I learn.  I understand that govt is the safe haven for mediocre scientists and ideologues and take what they say with a grain of salt.  I take reasonable positions about vaccines and treatment options while people like you are too proud and Wix is too stupid to accept anything other than whatever passes these days as convential wisdom.  For your sake I hope your blind belief in the vaccines works out. Me, I'm hedging my bets. That's what smart people do. 

Name:	MartiniMan -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/28/2021 10:01:01 PM

My, my...you really triggered her with that reminder about the admin thing.  Apparently in her infinite wisdom she has us all figured out. Cracks me up. COVID has really destroyed people's ability to think critically.  They just line up for their shots like cattle and assume anyone that doesn't blindly follow suit has a problem. Weird times. 

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/29/2021 8:20:31 AM

You have not won anything.  You know MM, sometimes I find you amusing and insightful, but other times I find you to be a bit of a bully.  You are one of those people that always has to be right.  At one time, that would have bothered me, but at this point in my life I just let people like you be right, because the drama is not worth it to me.  I literally don't much care - hence the comment to you to drink "gallons of it".  That was supposed to be my message to you are Carlson - you like it, believe in it, then drink gallons of it.  Be happy!  Stay healthy!  You can wear your little "I was right" badge proudly.  LOL, usually I reserve my "I was right" badge for things that do well after I invest in them.  

As far as AU-67, we have encountered each other in person.  A bitter old man.  I've encountered them before, usually standing with their arms crossed getting in the way of people getting things done.  As far as the Admin thing - Bruce gave me Admin privleges at one point to deal with a problem that he didn't want to deal with.  It was always at his discrestion and when he decided to withdraw it, that was his decision.  I made an error in judgement and I can live with it because I am human - not the first mistake and certainly not the last.  It didn't bother me one way or another.  I'm teflon like that.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/29/2021 9:05:20 AM (updated 10/29/2021 9:05:58 AM)

I used to think her point of vew being in governement brought some value - bue when she stated she would go vandalize property if she felt it would advance a social cause she lost me.

It is funny how she is so over you and your discussions - but still spends her time to answer you every single time, almost like she just has to have the last word or something - the projection is very funny to watch.

Name:	au67 -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/29/2021 11:20:56 AM

Your condescension and loftiness continually expose you.  I am not the bitter one.  

Name:	Talullahhound -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This
Date:	10/29/2021 6:27:46 PM

You don't know me at all.   I'm about as far from condesending as you can get.  Unlike you, I actually like people and and don't have a chip on m shoulder.  You chip is so heavy.  

Name:	GoneFishin -	Reply
Subject:	I Know This
Date:	10/29/2021 8:25:10 PM

It is fun to watch old Trumpsters argue. There is never a winner ....just lies and insults. Kinda like Trump.

Name:	Lighthouse -	Reply
Subject:	I Know This
Date:	10/30/2021 9:04:35 AM

You will never let TRUMP go, will you?  He still resides in your head.  LET HIM GO, you will feel so much better.

Name:	phil -	Reply
Subject:	I Know This
Date:	11/1/2021 8:44:54 AM

Almost as much fun as just watching you post imges from your spank bank when you can not argue with the truth.

Name:	fish1550 -	Reply
Subject:	Some May Already Know This and some DO NOT
Date:	11/1/2021 9:28:01 PM

The Indian Council of Medical Research (ICMR) confirmed on September 24, 2021, it has removed usage of Ivermectin and Hydroxycholoquine from its approved COVID-19 treatment guidelines.

Name:	fish1550 -	Reply
Subject:	Her pony died obviously
Date:	11/1/2021 10:09:24 PM

Please read the author's bio.