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4thelake
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For Marine Police
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4/1/2008 11:01:55 AM
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Just wondering what guidelines your superiors have given you for enforcement of the "big boat ban". I assume the burden of proof will be on the state to determine determine manufacture rated speed. Most manufactures don't provide rated speeds on their boats. Some do but with different motor combos and such it isn't always just as easy as the law states. I know of a group that is planning on definitive clarification from higher up the law food chain so they will know exactly what they are dealing with when stopped by the local Marine police. Your answer will be appreciated. I also have a question regarding noise limits. The Alabama law states you will take a decibel reading at 50 feet from the tail of the boat to determine the actual reading . Is there any exceptions to this and if so, can you please let us know where to find these exceptions in the state laws. Thanks again for your answers.
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Many of us
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4/1/2008 11:12:07 AM
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are waiting and very interested in the reply by the marine police...please give us the best answers possible. Thanks.
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F1Fan
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4/1/2008 11:25:01 AM
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That is one of the most naive solicitations for legal clarification I have ever witnessed on a message board.
Surely you guys aren't serious.
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4thelake
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Many of us
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4/1/2008 12:10:20 PM
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Can you think of anyone else who would know. If so please let all of us know because you sure have a strong opinion. We all need to know how the Marine Police are interpreting and enforcing this new law.
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Bob
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4/1/2008 12:47:49 PM
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Call the manufacturer and ask about the speed...take a tape measure to the boat. If you have to ask you are probably non-compliant and drive a big, fast , loud obnoxious salt water boat :) Plenty of slips in Destin....
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GoneFishin
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4/1/2008 12:58:44 PM
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I recently had the opportunity to attend a meeting in Montgomery
where the subject was discussed in detail in order to formulate
the procedure that will be followed. At the time, the following was
determined based on input from various interested parties:
If it is suspected that a vessel exceeds 26'11" in length, it will be
stopped and measured. A 12lb weight attached to a 300 foot 1/4 inch
nylon line will be lowered into the water and then attached to a buoy
at the bow of the vessel.
A second line which duplicates the first will be lowered from the
furthest point aft the bow. This will generally be at the propeller.
The distance between the buoys will be determined.
If, based on the measurement, it is determined that the vessel
exceeds the minimum length of 26'11", the boat will be boarded and all passengers will be transferred to the official vessel. Two buoys will be placed in close proximity to the measured vessel one mile apart using GPS. A measured run with an official at the controls will be done and
the speed determined by radar. A return trip will then be taken and the average of the two runs will be the speed recorded.
If the vessel speed exceeds 60 m.p.h., it is in violation of the code and will
be towed and removed from the water and placed on a trailer. An official
measuring stick will be placed at the bow perpendicular to the bow and a
chalk line placed on the pavement. A second line from the furthest distance
from the bow will made utilizing the same stick. The trailer will then be moved
and the distance between the lines will be measured. If it exceeds 26'11",
the vessel will be impounded and the registered owner issued a citation.
If the vessel is not in violation based on the measurement, will be returned
to the water and the file noted so the vessel operator is not stopped again.
Finally, since one of the key officials has a hearing problem, the discussion
of decibel level was tabled.
April Fool!!
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classic22
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4/1/2008 1:03:00 PM
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haha..good one
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ecstasypoint
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4/1/2008 1:25:39 PM
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It's troubling that someone whose boat is so loud that it might be over the decibel level has to be policed and made to stop bothering others because they don't have the courtesy to simply realize that they should stop because it isn't good "4 the lake" or those who live on the lake.
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head
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For Marine Police
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4/1/2008 1:33:18 PM
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Guess the music will be next. Then the girls dancing on the boats.Then the dogs. after the dogs ( 4 legged) no bright colored boats. After the bright colored boats no waverunners After the waverunners no pontoon boats with 3 tubes. After pontoon boat with 3 tubes no ice chest over 24" tall. Where will it stop
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ecstasypoint
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4/1/2008 2:32:22 PM
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You know what, it might not stop at all. Your post would be funny except that it cuts too close to the bone. If you look at lakes in Europe or some even in California, you see that where there is dense population and life threatening water issues, motor boats are often not allowed at all. We have a tremendous gift of abundance here, but people take it for granted and push it to the absolute limit. I have thought for a long time that we should be a little more concerned about the sustainability of the resource than our immediate pleasure. And seeing all that garbage on the lakebed during the low-water levels this past year, it really was heart wrenching to realize how little respect for this resource some people have. I don't want to start up about it again, but when those diapers come rolling in during high traffic season, one really wonders why people have to be told FOR EXAMPLE not to throw dirty diapers in the lake. But people do have to be told, and that is what is so amazing to me.
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Lovn_Lake_Livn
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For Marine Police
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4/1/2008 3:22:27 PM
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I agree with ecstasypoint, it might not stop at all. This law violates our right to choose. While I myself do not like the noise generated and the speed produced from these big boats, it doesn't give me the right to outlaw them.
There are a lot of things that each of us don't like but we're all different. I might not like fisherman being in the way of me going down the lake or fishing around my pier. Does that give me the right to ban fishing? NO. It's part of living with other people. We, as Americans, have rights, thus why we have th right to make our own decisions about what we want, not what we can take away from others.
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Marine Police
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For Marine Police
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4/1/2008 5:49:33 PM
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First...the "Big Boat Ban"...the superiors in Montgomery are working on the details for enforcement. That's all I know at this point. The best thing to do is call the Montgomery office at 1-800-272-7930.
Second...the noise level restrictions. Here is a copy and paste of the regulation you are asking about. It's regulation 220-6-.23
"It shall be unlawful for any person to operate or
give permission to operate any vessel powered by an engine or
outboard motor on the waters of this state in such a manner as to
exceed a noise level of 86 decibels as measured by the Society of
Automotive Engineers (SAE) Stationary Sound Level Measurement
Procedure SAEJ2005 or as measured by the Society of Automotive
Engineer (SAE) Shoreline Sound Level Measurement Procedure SAE
J1970."
There's 2 methods of testing...one is a full speed pass at a minimum distance of 50 ft. The other is a stationary test for boats with thru-transom exhaust. It's done at idle speed a few feet behind the transom.
These regulations can be found at this link. Also, Title 33 of the Alabama code contains boating laws.
URL: DCNR Marine Police Regulations
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HP HQ
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4/1/2008 10:16:05 PM
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i spoke with a Lieutenant Shipman who informed me that the boats would be measured from transom to tip excluding swim platforms(integrated or not) drives,etc,also excludes anything that would hang over the front as well.
As far as noise is concerned waves crashing on the shore are appox 82 to 84 Db so this is a hard one o comply with,but it is already written in stone
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Summer Lover
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For Marine Police
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4/1/2008 10:28:09 PM
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Before long this will be a zero emissions zone anyway. Why be allowed to use internal combustion engines when you can easily travel a couple of miles with a good electric motor and a couple of batteries. On second thought, we would still have those dangerous rotating props, and the problem of the safe disposal of lead (known in the state of Commiefornia to cause cancer). If you do not know how to tack, you may want to get one of those peddle boats.
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4thelake
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4/1/2008 11:38:39 PM
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Thank you guys. It was a test of my patients to read all the garbage by some who thought they should pipe in with their opinions. It seems they all don't know that a 26'11" boat can go as fast as modern science will allow. They also don't realize that most 30' and over boats with stock engines wont run faster than 60 mph. Please leave your comments about the loud awful boats that belong in the ocean to yourself. If you have kids wakeboarding, please know you are doing more to erode the shoreline than anyone else. Everyone else that thinks their form of recreation on the lake is totally without damage to everyone and the lake, please read the post about everything with a internal combustion engine being baned and ask yourself how you would feel if this was your boat in question. I'm just asking that you look at both sides before you make snide comments about how another person enjoys the lake. Its not just yours. Its an idiot who thinks everyone should share only their opinion. Thanks again MP for answering and providing a link to the law that goes more in depth than the printed pamphlet issued to us.
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cg
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did anyone notice the website
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4/4/2008 3:35:23 PM
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did anyone notice the website header, This is not the official code of the state of alabama. weird.
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Marine Police
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More information
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4/4/2008 3:56:42 PM
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Title 33 of the Alabama Code pertains to "Navigation and Watercourses".
Section 33-5-28 gives the Commissioner of DCNR authority to "make, adopt, promulgate, amend and repeal all rules and regulations as shall promote safety for persons and property in and connected with the use, operation and equipment of vessels".
Also, section 33-5-79 says "the Commissioner of Conservation and Natural Resources may implement and enforce reasonable and necessary rules and regulations to enforce this article". This is in reference to the Boating Reform Act.
Section 220 of the Alabama Administrative Code, which the other link referred to, is the collection of those regulations promulgated by the Commissioner which affect boating in Alabama.
Gary
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cg
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thank you, gary
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4/4/2008 9:14:31 PM
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let me say I did not mean to make anyone mad or upset, instead of weird
I should have said I am confused by the header, but your second post cleared that up. Thank You!
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