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MartiniMan
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3/20/2009 8:48:50 AM
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Wonder what others think of BO's videotape diplomatic reach out to Iran. Strikes my as uniformly silly and unserious. It appears he views diplomacy as a youtube effort. I am embarrassed for our country that we elected this guy.
And now Hound will tell us all how this is a breath of fresh air from the last 8 years, blah, blah, blah.
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3/20/2009 10:23:08 AM
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Same here..........he's coming across as all hat and no cattle. In a previous career I served in a corp with a peer colleague who this guy reminds me of......spit and polish.......very good talker...professional glad hander......showed well if talk was the goal.......but just couldn't manage the business unit and achieve his goals. Didn't matter though, he just kept sliding along. I think we're in for permanent campaign mode and no hands on government........that may be a good thing!! Sorry to see him debase the Presidency to late night talk show level. :-{
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MartiniMan
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3/20/2009 12:48:08 PM
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Yeah. I heard some clips including him making fun of the Special Olympics. I am sure all those families with kids that participate in the Special Olympics like to be the butt of a Presidential joke. I would point out the hypocritical double standard of the mainstream media but it is like pointing out the sun rises in the east and sets in the west.
This guy demeans and debases us all.
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Talullahhound
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3/20/2009 1:11:16 PM
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He didn't make fun of the special olympics, he just liken his bowling score to "qualify" him for the special olympics. No different than something any of us might have said if we were joking around. You sure like to pole vault over mouse turds, don't you?
I'm not going to defend his Iranian video. I suspect someone in the State Department thought this would be a "shout out" to the younger Iranian people who use the net as their main source of information. My understanding is that a lot of Iranian citizens are actually favorable to the US because they like our culture. A lot of them have family here too. But since the fundamentalists and jihadists like to put forth video to reach their audience, I'm not sure if it is a bad thing or a good thing to try it.
I'm also mixed on his late night talk show appearance. I'm sure his target audience is a younger group that stays up late to watch those shows. I don't think it "debases" the Presidency -- he's an elected official, not the King. I'm sure they did some political polling beforehand that indicated that a particular demographic would be favorable to that format. It's just his style. I don't really see it as much different than reporters following Bush around on his Mountain Bike or as he is chopping wood on his ranch. Just a different style.
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Council Roc Doc
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3/20/2009 1:46:23 PM
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I would think that a seven paragraph comment by Mr. Shriver, Chairman of the Special Olympics, that included the following quote
"Words hurt and words matter. Words can cause pain and result in stereotypes that are unfair and damaging to people with intellectual disabilities. And using "Special Olympics" in a negative or derogatory context can be a humiliating put-down to people with special needs."
would indicate that the comment was perceived as far worse and hurt more than you give credit Hound. Just another example of an individual in way over his head.....very disappointing and yet increasingly typical of someone we had concerns about for a very long time.
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Compare Costs....
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3/20/2009 1:58:48 PM
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MartiniMan
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3/20/2009 3:08:26 PM
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Well his comments certainly makes fun of the fact that participants are lousy at sports and that his lack of skill in bowling puts him at their level. If that is not making fun at them I am at a loss as to what is. The point being is he is not some shlep standing around a water cooler making fun of the sports skills of handicapped persons, he is President of the United States. I defy you to tell me that you wouldn't take Bush to task for making the same comment.
As for the video, I don't know whether it will have any impact on Iran but I find it to be a silly way to reach out to an adversarial nation. I just have never seen nor heard of video diplomacy but he grew up in the youtube world so maybe he thinks the leaders of Iran are videophiles....somehow I doubt any serious person believes that is the case.
As for the Leno appearance, I am not sure how him going on a late night talk show yucking it up and telling jokes communicates anything to anyone. It is just another example of his status being that of celebrity rather than the more serious position he currently holds. I know it started with Clinton but I would hope there would be some evolution on this issue. Apparently not......
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MrHodja
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3/20/2009 10:15:12 PM
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You voted for and continue to support a loser - no, worse than a loser, someone who threatens to tear apart the fabric of this country. I hope you are proud.
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Talullahhound
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3/21/2009 6:44:12 AM
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"tear apart the fabric" of the country in less than 100 days, then the "fabric" must not be too strong to start with. I think you are being overly dramatic, and I don't believe it.
The special olympics remark -- insensitive and thoughtless, yes. An insult to the special olympics, no. Hardly the first time a president has said something and had to apologize for it. Pick a President, any President and they've all done it. Even the Special Olympics accepted his immediate apology.
Am I 100% happy with the new Administration? No, I'm not. But I still think he was a better alternative than McCain.
Did you ever stop and think that maybe this is a natural evolution of government? Things change. Societies change over time. Expectations change. Face it, some of you just don't like change unless it is YOUR change. Sheesh, where would we be if the original "founding fathers" feared change as much as you all do. The US wouldn't even exist. But, of course, that would require some objective thinking, and you guys don't want to do that -- you just want to continue to spew "facts" as determined by the ultra right wing. No thank you.
By all means, continue pole vaulting over the mouse turds.
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MrHodja
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3/21/2009 7:35:12 AM
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What this jerk is doing is unprecedented. Now the CBO says the effect of his budget is about $2.3 TRILLION dollars worse than the White House claims - and that is the CBO, not Rush, Newt, or Dick. And a Democrat on the Budget Committee has the gall to say it is because of the mess they inherited. Sorry, sister, but $2 trillion ain't mouse turds, but steaming mountains of elephant $#!+.
Using World War II as an analogy, had the rest of the world just rolled over and said "well, we guess the world situation has changed and now Hitler will rule", rather than strapping on a set of balls and doing what was right by defeating him, then the world would be a different place. You are suggesting we be like Chamberlain. Ain't gonna happen.
What you don't seem to realize or accept is the number of folks who think your "natural evolution of government" is just so much bovine caca and intend to fight the good fight to get this country back to some sense of RESPONSIBLE government now and in future elections. What this guy and his hacks in Congress are doing is grossly irresponsible.
The "fundamental change" OBAMA is bringing about will result in a terribly lower standard of living for our kids and grandkids as they attempt to pay for his and the Democrat Congress' follies.
Belittle our concern for the wrong path we are headed in all you like with you cute little sayings. Our positions are indeed based on facts and the realities of history and you can't change that.
Nasreddin Hodja
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3/21/2009 8:18:36 AM
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Yes, this is deep DD. You probably should not have used the elephant analogy though, because it did start when one was in the White House, unfortunately. Just because it started then, however, should not give license to the Demos to sell the country, and that is exactly what they are doing. The bailouts (Bush/Paulson and Obama/Geitner) are outrageous, and we will have trouble recovering, the economy will suffer because the dollar bill I have in my wallet is getting smaller. McCain was no answer either. If you were king what steps would you take? Whose spending would you cut? Lower taxes? How bout a three month tax holiday? My thought on the auto bailout was give 10,000 to any one who would buy a new car made by one of the "auto welfare" seekers. As you can see, I really do not know what the answer is. I hear both your arguments (mean spirited at times).
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MrHodja
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3/21/2009 8:57:37 AM
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I hear you L&C.
For one, if we are truly going to get the economy restarted we need to get the investment directly into the taxpayer's hands. And not in a lump sum, but a recurring increase in disposable income. As an example, if I knew that my paychecks were to increase a hundred bucks on a recurring basis for the foreseeable future due to a tax reduction, then I would be more likely to go out and buy something that I could pay for over time. That wouldn't happen with a lump sum payment. If that increase in disposable income were to be coupled with a tax rebate for purchasing an automobile with at least X percent domestic content (it is really hard to find a truly "American" car these days, and I am not particularly keen on rewarding GM's arrogance and mismanagement and Chrysler's ineptitude), then I might be inclined to buy one of those cars rather than a Toyota.
I have a real problem with the size of the porkulus spending too. I think they lost their minds and just went way overboard, possibly because they didn't see another golden opportunity like this coming down the pike any time soon. They, to put it in the White House Chief of Staff's terms, definitely did not waste a "good crisis".
My personal opinion, expressed a few weeks ago, is that we as a country got away from being a manufacturing and agricultural-based economy and became primarily a service-based economy, and I just don't see how we can sustain a service-based economy where nothing of real value is produced. Maybe I am old-fashioned (some say reactionary), but I think we'd be better off if we had more of our economy based on taking raw materials, adding labor and process, resulting of something more valuable than the total of labor and materials that went into it. Surely seemed to work when we were cranking out washing machines, refrigerators, tools, and the like.
But times do change, and automation reduces the viability of that type of economy - unless you happen to be China, Malaysia, Thailand, Taiwan, Korea, and so forth. Seems to be working for them now - and maybe it is because they do not yet have the expectations of a level of wealth similar to what we expect.
Others say tax breaks for small business is a key ingredient to recovery. I agree, as long as we figure out a way to ensure those tax breaks don't just go into the proprietors/entrepreneurs' pockets. I have struggled with coming up with a way to do that. Have thought about a tax break for creating jobs - but haven't been able yet to formulate a way to ensure unscrupulous small business owners don't create sham jobs just to get the tax breaks. Maybe other more educated in the ways of the business world could help out there.
One of the things that also bothers me about the big ticket items like building roads and bridges is that the money for those primarily goes into raw materials and very specialized equipment -- not into labor. They talk about "shovel-ready" projects, yet these projects use few shovels (i.e., labor), and unless we solve the illegal immigrant problem they will end up getting a fair number of the worker-bee jobs that are created.
Sorry for the long-winded response, but I am holed up in a hotel room in Charleston waiting to attend a birthday party for my main customer tonight - and am looking for anything to do other than the work stuff that I need to be doing...:>).
So there is a start....I would encourage others to chime in with suggestions as to how to do it better. Maybe my suggestions are unworkable, but in my mind they are a he!! of a lot more palatable than just throwing money down the drain with absolutely no plan for how that money might actually do some good )other than solidifying the democratic hold on power).
Cheers,
Nasreddin Hodja
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Hound, the founding fathers also had a supermajority of individuals who stood with them and desired the same change, even to the extent of giving up their life for freedoms sake. Surely you can see that a supermajority of people supporting Obama's change didn't really exist, and the significance of the change that he wants to achieve is astounding considering the lack of national debate that is occuring. Poor analogy.
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Talullahhound
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3/21/2009 11:23:51 AM
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No, I don't see that the majority of Americans don't stand with Obama. What I see is that a "majority" of people here on this board, in this small corner of the Southeast US, don't stand with Obama. Sorry, I don't think you have your finger on the pulse of the whole US.
And I think my analogy about the Founding Fathers is totally appropriate. If they were afraid to stand up against the status quo, there wouldn't have been a Revolutionary War and we wouldn't have become the US.
The Status quo has brought us to this point. It's not Obama's fault that we are where we are. We've been moving to this point over a number of decades.
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Talullahhound
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3/21/2009 11:39:28 AM
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This is hardly the same situation as Hitler, but then the US did not enter into WWII until the Japanese attacked us. So, I guess in a way the world was willing to stand by and let Hitler do what he was doing.
Like you, I'm not terribly happy about the budget. I think we are digging ourselves and future generations into a very deep debt hole. And I do think the Administration is trying to do too much too soon, and without regard about the economic situation. I don't agree with the bailouts.
Like you, I think we got into trouble when we moved from an agricultural and manufacturing society to a service based economy. But, we are where we are. Americans stopped wanting to farm and to do manual labor. And we let our manufacturing labor costs get out of control. Obama hardly is responsible for all of this. That is why I say this may be the natural evolution of our government/economy. Maybe this is the end of the US as we have known it. All the great societies of history have had an Apex and then declined. The Romans, the Greeks, England, France...etc. So maybe we're not different.
Believe me, I don't like this thought any more than you do, but I have to entertain it as a possibility.
I personally don't think they can afford to cut taxes enough to use that to stimulate the economy. An extra $100 in everyone paycheck is not going to cause people to go out and spend. Did Bush's rebate cause the economy to turn around? No. The only thing that is going to stimulate the economy at this point is for the threat of layoffs to stop and people to climb off their mountain of debt. People need confidence in the economy, not $100. I think if someone/anyone in the Administration could sit down and explain how concrete actions being taken are going to fix the economy, and do it in terms people can understand, that might start the confidence. But when people are hearing bailouts, big bonus' and "I'm responsible for the loophole", they totally lose confidence that anything is going to be okay.
And as far as my characterization of Pole vauliting over mouse turds, I was referring to the "outrage" of the Special Olympics gaffe and Obama's appearance on Leno.
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MrHodja
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3/21/2009 11:42:18 AM
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So to cure a hangnail you cut off your hand? That is what he is doing.
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We've been moving to government tyranny over American life for decades? Where have you been living Hound? The American Revolution was fought in the minds and hearts of Patriots for years before the first shot was fired at Lexington Green. And it only came to fruition because of a dramatic consensus of opinion. I did not say that a supermajority disagrees with Obama, but I did say that a supermajority does not exist that agrees WITH him. His approval rating is 55% for crying out loud, with 32% who strongly disagree with him. Hardly a cry for dramatic change wouldn't you think?
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Talullahhound
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3/21/2009 4:35:29 PM
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Not sure where you are getting those approval numbers. The ones I've seen are in the 80's. And the fact that he was elected is a clear indication that people want change. Maybe not people in this little place, but the majority of people want change.
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Talullahhound
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Link to Gallup Poll
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3/21/2009 4:40:25 PM
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I misspoke, his approval rating is 64%.
See for yourself.
URL: http://www.gallup.com/Home.aspx
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Swimmer27
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3/21/2009 4:41:00 PM
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There are NONE so blind as those that will not see!!
Aproval in the 80's? HAHAHA. he didn't even have that on coronation day.
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Talullahhound
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3/21/2009 4:42:34 PM
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So you liken the problems of this country to a hangnail? I don't think so.
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MartiniMan
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3/21/2009 4:58:08 PM
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Hound, you are a walking, talking fountain of monumental ignorance. You made the profoundly ignorant statement that Bush's tax cuts didn't help the economy. Do a little research before you make absurd statements and you will see that the tax cuts followed the economic slowdown after 911. Two things happened, the economy recovered quite quickly, unlike what we will see with the Messiah. Two, revenues to the federal government increased. It works every time its been tried. Just like under Reagan, Kennedy and others that understand economics.
If you think the Bush tax cuts caused our current economic crisis I defy you to explain how. Even the most partisan wack job economists don't make that absurd claim. And try not to compound your error with more statements you pull out of your rear end. Do some real research, find some facts, use your massive intellect that you developed from years of government service.
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3/21/2009 5:04:29 PM
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Not in the least, but the problem and O's response are of that magnitude relative to each other. Does the analogy of burning down the barn to get rid of the rats help???
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MartiniMan
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I do agree about rebates
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3/21/2009 5:07:22 PM
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The only thing proven to work is long-term tax cuts. Rebates are a waste of time, especially since they are frequently used to redistribute wealth in the form of tax credits.
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Talullahhound
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3/21/2009 5:17:26 PM
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There you go again, Mr. "Master of the Universe". You truly are a legend in your own mind. Stick it out your ear.
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MartiniMan
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Now that was intelligent
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3/21/2009 5:24:27 PM
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I gave you an opportunity to impress us with your intellect and all I get is something in my ear.
Lets face it Hound, you just don't like the fact that I and others don't let you spout nonsense gleaned from your government school education and getting your news from the mainstream media. The truth and facts and logic are awful things when you want to emote your way through life but some of us actually have to be the adults here and make decisions based on something other than what we wish to be true.
If I were master of the universe we would not have the Messiah making one stupid decision after another but as it is I am a mere mortal.
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But don't you agree that the problems facing this country are monumental? I think it calls for bold action - I just wish that someone would make a bold move that didn't cost $1T dollars. We're still not on the right path, but I don't agree that the right path is just tax cuts
We used to lead the world in science and technology but then students stopped wanting to study those things. The problem is people don't want to have to "do" things anymore, they just want to graduate from school and make a lot of money fast. Foreign students now make up the majority of graduate students doing research and development at University.
One positive thing -- I just met a young man who is hearing impaired and is working on an invention to improve hearing the lower registers. He's still in high school, but competing in science competitions, working for a scholarship.
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Now that was intelligent
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3/21/2009 5:34:27 PM
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Yes, you and your ultra conservative right wing "facts". You really are just dazzling. I wish you impressed me as much as you seemingly impress yourself and a couple of others who think like you from this little board. Problem is that I see your 'facts" for what they are -- right wing propaganda. If it's not tax cuts, you don't know anything.
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Now that was intelligent
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3/21/2009 5:41:30 PM
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OK, so prove me wrong. You are so quick to label my facts as right wing propaganda so prove it. That's why I say you are so ignorant, you believe so much that just isn't true. You can try all day long to ignore what I posted and just pound the table with your name calling but in the end I am still right and you are a mindless partisan.
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3/21/2009 5:46:35 PM
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Absolutely agree the problems are monumental - but O's solution is extraterrestrial. Its all a matter of relativity.
And if you'll sift through my gibberish you will find that what I am advocating is targeted tax cuts - targeted to those that will help, unlike O's "just throw money anywhere" blunderbuss approach.
Gotta go to the birthday party....after all that is why I am still in Charleston...:>)
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Link to Gallup Poll
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3/21/2009 8:21:57 PM
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Link to the Rasmussen poll where I got my numbers
URL: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/scoreboards/by_the_numbers2/by_the_numbers
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Now that was intelligent
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3/21/2009 10:05:12 PM
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Hound you are proving oyourself to be as big an idiot as your DH (dimwitted husband). If we are so pathethic on this 'little board', why are you one fo the most prolific posters? I for one, wish you would go the way of DH and just dissapear, but then again, you don't have a wife to trot out to fight your battles for you, so I guess we are stuck with you. You have turned out to be just like him, only with better writing skills.
Seen on a T-shirt of an AU coed Recently:
"Annoy a liberal, work hard and be happy"
I asked where I could get one, but it is put out for the college republican group on campus.
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How Like You
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3/22/2009 10:43:50 AM
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to jump on the "me too" bandwagon. Do you ever have an original thought?
You hate my husband because he and many others got you pegged back in your LTL days.
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Talullahhound
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Cool site.
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I like it. My only observation that may account for the difference in the "approval" ratings is that yours measures "strongly approve" and "strongly disapprove" and I think there are some that approve, but not "strongly". For me to "approve strongly" it would mean that I have no reservations with anything he is doing; and that's not the case for me.
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Cool site.
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3/22/2009 1:28:04 PM
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Since he took office what policies have you been pleased with?
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Lets not forget...
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.... the old Burran days too. And why is that such a bad thing? I have met several folks from this forum, and they all seem to like ole LTL jsut fine. Who cares about the others. Those that matter don't mind, and those that mind don't matter!! But your DH had nothing to do with it. I also take credit for makeing the HOBO what it is today, which is insignifacant. Or at least not nearly as significant as they would have been had I not exposed the hidden agenda. Yea me!!
Now can you please tell me how great and wonderful the federal guvment is again............
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3/22/2009 6:01:15 PM
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I think he is doing the right thing with Iraq and Afghanistan. Fiscally, nothing at all. I'm not as happy as I hoped I would be with his shotgun approach on healthcare. I'm sorry he didn't stand up to Congress on the Stimulus bill with all the pork.
But I'm giving him at least 100 days before I say I'm disagreeing with his policies.
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too late in 100 days. Between BO/Pelosi/Reid they have decided to do long-term damage to the country in less than 100 days. Waiting until then is like waiting until the second floor is on fire to call the fire department. It will be too late........not that any of us can stop them anyway.
You and many others made their mistake at the ballot box despite the pleas, warning and admonitions of those that knew better. You decided to take a chance, you thought McCain was another Bush, you wanted to vote for our first black President because you are a guilty white liberal, whatever the reason.
The difference between you and I is I will be able to tell my children and grandchildren, when they come to me in anguish over the confiscatory tax rates, the debt, the socialized medicine, etc. that I voted against the guy because it was obvious who he was and what he would do with Pelosi and Reid. You and other useful idiots will have no one to blame but yourselves.
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when you are in the hospital and need some expensive treatment or surgery and some nameless, faceless government employee in Washington, DC decides that the cost-benefit doesn't make it worth it remember you voted for Obama and weren't "happy with his shotgun approach". That shotgun is pointed at the head of every senior citizen whose time has passed and its just not gonna be worth all the cost to let you live a little longer. That is in the stimulus pork bill that was passed by Democrats in Congress and the Senate and signed into law by the Messiah.
Maybe you will get lucky and adults will once again take over and return us to some sense of sanity and this won't come to pass.......maybe.
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